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To: dahvid
Speaking of Kerry's inconsistencies, I've been going through the debate transcript and have found the following flip-flop quotes so far:

"He also said Saddam Hussein would have been stronger. That is just factually incorrect. Two-thirds of the country was a no-fly zone when we started this war. We would have had sanctions. We would have had the U.N. inspectors. Saddam Hussein would have been continually weakening."

--I've had one position, one consistent position, that Saddam Hussein was a threat.
-- He needed to be disarmed.

--I will make a flat statement: The United States of America has no long-term designs on staying in Iraq.

--I have a plan for Iraq. I believe we can be successful. I'm not talking about leaving.

--We can do a better job of training the Iraqi forces to defend themselves.

--And our goal in my administration would be to get all of the troops out of there with a minimal amount you need for training and logistics

I'll have to go through it more thoroughly tomorrow... As for the whole draft thing...scare tactics, I think. It's ironic how Republicans are the ones being accused of this practice. Ask anyone who has tried joining the military recently how difficult it really is to get in. Never mind the physical prerequisites, old parking tickets raise eyebrows in the recruiting office.

They want quality, not quantity. This might help explain some of the effort to hold on to the already trained & experienced, I'm not sure. Of course, after being away from family and convienience for 7 months it is hard to say good-bye to it all again.

28 posted on 10/02/2004 10:52:44 PM PDT by hippy hate me ("You don't send troops to war without the body armor that they need" - John Kerry, Pres. Debate)
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To: hippy hate me
"It's ironic how Republicans are the ones being accused of this practice."

It seems more than ironic, more like calculated, knowing how easily people can be tricked. For example, I was listening to some of my friends bashing Bush about the debate. They were laughing and making fun of Bush, when one of them in mid chuckle admitted that he "didn't watch the debate, only heard a little from people". The point is that emotions and beliefs can be easily manipulated. This is why the media is so powerful, it masterfully uses "mob psychology" to influence opinions and votes. This is being used in our schools to indoctrinate our youth. Reference:

http://www.protestwarrior.com/
http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org
http://www.frontpagemag.com/

In other words it doesn't matter if you blatantly lie to the public because because it is only human nature that many people will believe whatever told, stubbornly adhere to their party line either consciously or subconsciously, or even knowingly spread lies to get votes, etc. This seems to be the Democratic method. The use of imagery rather than substance, like a Hollywood movie the actors are not real but people believe they are in a subconscious way. The use of imagery is very powerful but won't work against people who can reason. Naturally the Republicans use the same principles, because appearance does count, but the difference is one of scruples. The Democrats seem to have zero scruples, lying, flipflop, etc, just to sway public opinion for votes. The CBS 60 minutes scandal is just one example. If you are interested here are some media bias websites that document some of this:

http://www.honestreporting.com/
http://www.camera.org/

Finally, Kerry is truly scary. Listening to some of his points during the debate such as giving nuclear material to Iran, sending US troops wherever, such a Sudan, under the auspices of a world court, and all the rest. Combined with his apparently poor relationship with the military, his affinity for communism or socialism, his far-left agenda, if he is elected I just want to get the hell out of here because the terrorists will have won a decisive victory.

Good luck, hope you don't have to say bye to it all again.
30 posted on 10/03/2004 9:07:52 AM PDT by dahvid (put that in your pipe and smoke it)
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To: hippy hate me
One more thing to add to my last reply (I always remember something just after positing).

We were discussing the paradox of why the democrats are pushing for draft legislation while your military.com article states that there is an abundance of recruits.

Other than using scare tactics about the draft to influence votes, there could be a difference in strategic philosophy.(Please note that I am only guessing here not saying that I know). perhaps there is a difference in how the Democrats would prosecute a military campaign. While Bush is for small, mobile, elite units, perhaps Kerry favors a different military strategy more along the lines of Vietnam or WWII. Sometimes I wonder if Kerry is truly pro USA.
32 posted on 10/03/2004 9:27:00 AM PDT by dahvid (put that in your pipe and smoke it)
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