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Arlington general tosses CBS News in the brig(Mary Mapes uses Utah's prof "study")
Dallas Observer ^ | 09/30/04 | Mark Stuertz

Posted on 10/01/2004 8:24:47 AM PDT by Pikamax

Poke in the Eye Arlington general tosses CBS News in the brig Major General Bobby Hodges places a neat stack of newspaper clippings next to two decks of playing cards, the gear of a bridge aficionado. The clips are heavily highlighted. There are photos in the stack, too. One hazy black-and-white shot shows a ground crew shoving a delta-winged F-102 fighter. The canopy is open. The pilot is visible in the cockpit.

Hodges piloted the F-102 in Vietnam while in the Texas Air National Guard. He flew 51 combat missions from South Vietnam and northern Thailand, escorting B-52 bombers and intercepting enemy aircraft during a 90-day tour known as Palace Alert.

But among his most challenging battles has come not against a tenacious pilot but against a dogged broadcast network, CBS News. Hodges was one of the sources the network used to validate a series of 30-year-old memos allegedly written by the late Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Killian hinting political favoritism was exerted to sanitize President George W. Bush's military record in the Texas Air National Guard. Hodges insists the network never showed him the documents and he never authenticated them. When he finally did get a peek at them a day and a half after a 60 Minutes broadcast highlighting the memos aired, he was convinced they were fakes. "It didn't take me but a minute or two to realize that Jerry Killian did not write these," he says. "No way."

Hodges, 74, who retired from the Texas Air National Guard in 1989 and lives in Arlington, says he was first contacted by CBS on the evening of September 6, two days before the 60 Minutes broadcast. Hodges says that during a telephone conversation 60 Minutes producer Mary Mapes read him small excerpts from the memos, among them portions relating to Bush's missed physical. "I said, 'Yes, I remember talking about his physical, that he missed his physical,'" Hodges says. "Everybody knew he missed his physical...I agreed that we had talked about the physical, which gave her authority to say that I authenticated all four memos."

Mapes also read Hodges portions from a May 1972 memo relating to Bush's missed drills: "Phone call from Bush," reads the purported Killian memo. "Discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November." Hodges says he confirmed to Mapes that Bush was gone from May to November 1972 to work on a campaign in Alabama, and that officers in the Guard discussed it and gave him permission to go.

But when he realized CBS cast his confirmation of contemporaneous conversations as document authentication, he protested. In a September 12 article, The Dallas Morning News quoted CBS News anchorman Dan Rather stating that CBS offered to show Hodges the documents. "We wanted to take the documents to him and do an interview, and he declined to do that," Rather said, adding that Hodges "said that the documents were--quote--familiar to him, and that Killian did indeed feel the way that the documents expressed."

But Hodges maintains CBS never offered to show him the documents, which he believed to be handwritten. Instead, they offered to interview him on the air for the Wednesday 60 Minutes broadcast, which he declined. Hodges also disputes Rather's contention that the documents were familiar to him. "They say I'm familiar with them because they read them to me," he says. "To me, they wanted somebody to say yes to something so that they could say they were authenticated."

Hodges takes issue with another Rather quote that appeared September 11 in The Washington Post. "In an interview, Rather stressed that CBS had talked to two people who worked with Killian in the Texas Guard--his superior, retired Major General Bobby Hodges, and his administrative assistant, Robert Strong--and both described the memos as consistent with what they knew of Killian," wrote the Post's Howard Kurtz. "Hodges, who told CBS he was 'familiar' with the documents, is an avid Bush supporter, and 'it took a lot for him to speak the truth,' Rather said."

"I do not know Robert Strong," Hodges insists. "Never met him." Hodges also insists that, though he considers himself a Bush supporter, he never expressed such sentiments to CBS.

Hodges maintains he first saw the disputed memos on the morning of September 10 after his niece downloaded them off the Internet. That same evening, he says, he had phone conversations with Mapes and Rather during which he expressed his belief that the Killian memos were fakes.

But what astounded him, he says, was that neither Rather nor Mapes probed further. "Neither one of them, neither Dan Rather nor Mary Mapes...they never asked me why I thought they were not authentic," he says. "I can tell you 21 reasons why I think that. It has nothing to do with typewriters or spacing or anything like that. It's just strictly the verbiage in those four memos."

CBS News didn't return calls for comment, and Mapes declined to discuss Hodges' charges. "I can't, I just can't," she says. But she did forward a study by Utah State University Associate Professor David Hailey disputing the contention that the memos were created on a word processor using digital type rather than a '70s-era typewriter--the key challenge to their authenticity. "I really believe they are not digitally produced," Hailey says. "I'm not saying that they're authentic. I'm saying they were probably typewritten. That doesn't make them authentic. But it does take CBS off the hook a little bit."

Hodges' copies of the memos are a patchwork of highlighted phrases and detailed notes in the margins, isolating terms he says are suspect. For example, Hodges says the use of the term "billet" in an August 1, 1972, memo to denote National Guard positions was not used by the Air Guard, which instead referred to positions as pilot slots. He also takes issue with the thrust of that memo, in which Killian orders "1st lt. Bush be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination (flight) as ordered." Hodges insists pilots were never ordered to take "annual flying physicals." The exams were automatic. "And when you missed your physical, you're automatically grounded," he says. "Nobody has to direct you to be grounded, because you're automatically grounded."

Hodges also disputes sentiments expressed by Rather during the September 15 broadcast of 60 Minutes when he says that those disputing the memos have never criticized the heart of the report, that "George Bush received preferential treatment to get into the National Guard and, once accepted, failed to satisfy the requirements of his service."

Hodges says he was never aware of Bush receiving preferential treatment to get into the Guard. None was needed, he contends. While there were long waiting lists to get into the Texas Air National Guard in the early 1960s, Hodges insists by 1967 the pool of candidates willing to commit to a six-year enlistment had all but evaporated. "In 1967 we were hurting for pilots," he says. "We were having to advertise. We had to recruit pilots."

He also insists media reports implying Bush didn't live up to Guard requirements at the tail end of his enlistment are also inaccurate. When Bush moved to Alabama to work on a political campaign, Hodges says, he was never assigned to the Alabama Guard, nor was he under its command, as some reports contend. He says Bush was not required to attend drills in Alabama but was given permission to work on the campaign and attend drills if he so desired as a courtesy. "As far as I know, he never made a drill in the Alabama unit, even though we gave him permission to," Hodges says. "We had hoped that he would, so that when he came back he wouldn't have to make up so many. It still wasn't absolutely necessary."

Hodges says what media reports miss in their dissection of Bush's irregular record during the last two years of his enlistment was that the Air Force was in the process of decommissioning his plane, the F-102. In the fall of 1972, Hodges says, he received word that he was losing 10 pilots and that his unit's 22 F-102s were being phased out. Because Bush had less than two years left in his enlistment, he was ineligible to be trained and certified in another fighter. Neither the Alabama unit, nor the Massachusetts unit he attempted to transfer to when he enrolled at Harvard, flew the F-102. "He couldn't get in," says Hodges of the Massachusetts Guard. "Normally a unit wouldn't accept a 102 pilot unless they were flying 102s. They were flying F-106s. We transferred him to the inactive reserve...As I remember, when he left us, he was in our good graces." --Mark Stuertz


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CBS News didn't return calls for comment, and Mapes declined to discuss Hodges' charges. "I can't, I just can't," she says. But she did forward a study by Utah State University Associate Professor David Hailey disputing the contention that the memos were created on a word processor using digital type rather than a '70s-era typewriter--the key challenge to their authenticity. "I really believe they are not digitally produced," Hailey says. "I'm not saying that they're authentic. I'm saying they were probably typewritten. That doesn't make them authentic. But it does take CBS off the hook a little bit."

1 posted on 10/01/2004 8:24:47 AM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax

And, they just forget to mention that Hailey has given to John Kerry's campaign and that his study has already been discredited by the Pajama People.

Hailey's page has been taken down by the University and all his work removed.


2 posted on 10/01/2004 8:32:39 AM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: Pikamax
But she did forward a study by Utah State University Associate Professor David Hailey disputing the contention that the memos were created on a word processor using digital type rather than a '70s-era typewriter--the key challenge to their authenticity.

LOL!!! For those who don't know the story, the Hailey study shows that the 1971 version of Photoshop can make an ordinary typewritten document look like the CBS memos. LOL!

3 posted on 10/01/2004 8:32:56 AM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Pikamax

ping


4 posted on 10/01/2004 8:33:02 AM PDT by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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To: Pikamax

bump


5 posted on 10/01/2004 8:34:45 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Pikamax

It appears that Hailey's work was fraudulant as well. He left some working drafts in an unsecured folder on his website which clearly showed that he "cheated" to make the superscript "th" in the memo.

It is my understanding that Asst. Prof. Hailey is undergoing an internal academic ethics probe by the University's administration.


6 posted on 10/01/2004 8:36:31 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Pikamax
Mapes declined to discuss Hodges' charges. "I can't, I just can't," she says. But she did forward a study by Utah State University Associate Professor David Hailey disputing the contention that the memos were created on a word processor using digital type rather than a '70s-era typewriter--the key challenge to their authenticity. "I really believe they are not digitally produced," Hailey says. "I'm not saying that they're authentic. I'm saying they were probably typewritten. That doesn't make them authentic. But it does take CBS off the hook a little bit."

The Hailey 'study' and the possibility the prof is using Photoshop to cretae docs showing the CBS memos are authentic, have threads on FR:

Fact Checking the Boston Globe - in Advance (Utah Professor's Study of CBS Memos Exposed as Fraud)

Utah State Univ Prof Posts Forged Docs in Effort to Prove CBS Memos Authentic

and is being discussed on Fact Checking the Boston Globe - in Advance at the Wizbang blog.
7 posted on 10/01/2004 8:37:52 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko ("Did you know I served in the Clone Wars?")
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To: Pikamax

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232599/posts


8 posted on 10/01/2004 8:38:07 AM PDT by rocksblues (Sorry John, we remember and will never forget your treason!)
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To: Pikamax
Hailey was busted by Wizbang! http://wizbangblog.com/archives/003851.php
9 posted on 10/01/2004 8:40:19 AM PDT by hobson
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To: Pikamax
the Massachusetts unit he attempted to transfer to when he enrolled at Harvard, flew the F-102. "He couldn't get in," says Hodges of the Massachusetts Guard. "Normally a unit wouldn't accept a 102 pilot unless they were flying 102s. They were flying F-106s.

If Bush did try to get into the MA ANG unit, they probably had no openings. The -106 was a derivative of the -102, so I suspect the transition training would not be lengthy. However this is the first I've heard that he tried to transfer to the MA-ANG. Since he wouldn't be staying in MA after his grad school work, that would be another reason why the MA unit would not want to invest in that training.

10 posted on 10/01/2004 8:53:51 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Pikamax; Range Rover
But she did forward a study by Utah State University Associate Professor David Hailey disputing the contention that the memos were created on a word processor using digital type rather than a '70s-era typewriter--the key challenge to their authenticity.

They just keep getting further and further in the hole.

11 posted on 10/01/2004 8:58:11 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: El Gato

Did you see this from last night?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1231986/posts


12 posted on 10/01/2004 9:00:39 AM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: Howlin
The more I read about this, the more I'm inclined to think that CBS and/or the DNC sought out someone either in their ranks or of a mindset ideologically similar to their own who could be the "go-to" person in producing a "study" verifying the authenticity of the memos. They naturally looked for someone in acedemia who could boast (on the face of them)weighty creds. Hailey did work for Sandia Labs....oooohhh! BIG name. He "co-authored" some studies on engineering (with his wife...he probably did the graphics).

Well, Prof. Hailey may be pretty handy with computer graphics but he is no match for the legion of savvy "bloggers".

If he had not been "outed", he most likely would have been some part of that dog and pony show CBS is calling an Internal Investigation.

At the very least, the Globe was prepared to toss Hailey's "work" into the debate to counterpoint all of the analysis that was critical of the memos. It all still steers the debate away from WHO created these documents and what path did they take from forger to their ultimate destination - CBS. DId it lead through the DNC and Kerry's machine? Did Cleland and/or McAuliffe have a hand in the creation and/or routing of the docs?

13 posted on 10/01/2004 9:37:59 AM PDT by Range Rover (Kerry is a Fraud)
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To: Pikamax

Pretty good article -- it adds details I wasn't aware of, including the fact that Rather and Mapes talked with him after the report ran. Funny how Dan didn't mention that to the media.


14 posted on 10/01/2004 10:19:01 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: The Old Hoosier


Great...if this keeps up there will be LOTS of unemployed liberals who were brought down by this bogus SeeBS story. It just keeps getting better and better.


15 posted on 10/01/2004 10:23:26 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Pikamax

"Utah State University Associate Professor David Hailey"

gave John Kerry $250 per a disclosure posted elsewhere here on FR.

Yeah, he's unbiased enough to trust.

Not.


16 posted on 10/01/2004 10:43:44 AM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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