[frank-the-tank]

Hate to say it as I loathe Kerry, but he won the debate (but not by a huge margin).
He delivered his lines well even though most were whoopers (NYC subway closed? huh? when?). Was eagerly awaiting bush to pounce on his rebuttals was often disappointed. He the Used "wrong war wrong time" line too much, when he could have attacked Kerry's Flip Flops with many more examples.
But the all important spin can go to Bush as Kerry made some big missteps that the non political person might have missed but make good sound bites such as

His many Gore-ish outright lies and exaggerations.

This election's "lock-box"...."Global-test" Bush's reaction was priceless. Beat Kerry over the head with it.

Did he say he would give Iran nuclear matteral, right after slamming bush on North Korea? How the Hell does that make us safer Mr Kerry?

Kerry said "I have a plan" about 1000 times, did he ever get around to telling us what exactly it was?

And another Shocking insight on Kerry, saying he would kill the new bunker busters and next generation of US nukes in the name of nonproliferation. HUH? Bush could have nailed him on all the other weapons Kerry voted against defending the country at this moment but missed it. As Dick Morris said on Fox "Were does he think the WMD's are kept in the store front window?"

I'm spent forgive my long ramble

[Hawkeye]

All I heard about his "plan" was that it had four points. Anyone ever catch what even one of those points might be? Based on what I heard they are:

• I'll do the same thing as Bush has, but better.
• I won't do the same thing as Bush has, but better.
• Like Bush I'll not wilt, but I'll not wilt better.
• Like Bush I'll make alliances, but I'll make them better.