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DRUDGE: C-SPAN Secretly Tapes Lockhart Saying Debate Was A Draw Drudge Report ^ Posted on 09/30/2004 11:04:32 PM CDT by West Coast Conservative LOCKHART: DEBATE CONSENSUS A 'DRAW' Unbeknownst to Kerry adviser Mike McCurry, a C-SPAN camera quietly followed McCurry as he found Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart on Spin Alley floor and asked him his impression of the debate. Lockhart candidly said to McCurry , “The consensus is it was a draw.”