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Prohibiting Pornography -- A Moral Imperative
Morality in Media ^ | 1984 | Paul J. McGeady

Posted on 09/30/2004 1:56:48 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Antoninus
I'm in favor of On-Line Porn... DUers need to have something to look at when they get tired of typing.
61 posted on 09/30/2004 2:45:40 PM PDT by The Hollywood Conservative
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To: robertpaulsen
Our Constitution was written for a moral and religious people

There isn't a single avowed atheist in any three branches of the federal government, yet we have the most unconstitutional government in history. Funny, that...

62 posted on 09/30/2004 2:46:45 PM PDT by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

No, it's my nightmare.


63 posted on 09/30/2004 2:46:57 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It is almost impossible to stop porn now that it is on the internet.

Fortunately, there are lots of federal law enforcement teams hunting down illegal porn sites. I helped build one of the databases they use to communicate with each other about the cases.

I cannot tell you the satisfaction I get when I know that the software I built is shutting these guys down. Here is one of the best I can relate to you: (Please stop reading if you are offended by this stuff.)

We investigated and convicted a man who was running a child porn site. When we caught him, we found he was making his own child porn. He was using his own daughter and was selling her to customers and filming it. The poor little girl will be mentally messed up for life.

I can only imagine the restraint it took to keep the law officers restrained from killing this man on the spot.

Were I able, I definitely would have let the other inmates know what this guy was in for.
64 posted on 09/30/2004 2:47:04 PM PDT by Sensei Ern
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To: Poohbah

It is a shibbloeth conjured by your fevered paranoia.


65 posted on 09/30/2004 2:48:00 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Obscenity is not encompassed within the phrases "freedom of speech" or "freedom of the press."

Yes it is, but only because of people like the author. As long as he, or a small group, or even the overwhelming majority feels entitled to define "obscenity".

Give it a rest!

66 posted on 09/30/2004 2:50:55 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I, also, don't do diplomacy.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I appreciate and don't disagree with your objectives but you will never convince me that anyone has the right to tell an adult what he or she can read or see. I don't support obscenity or porn and porn involving those too young or incapacitated to give informed consent is obviouly illegal on contract law terms but free people are, well, free to choose what they want to read or see. If it's porn well, that's the downside of freedom


67 posted on 09/30/2004 2:52:05 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: Sensei Ern

Congratulations on your work! Your pride that you are helping to put these evil predators of children out of business and in jail is well-earned and well-deserved.


68 posted on 09/30/2004 2:52:37 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It is a shibbloeth conjured by your fevered paranoia.

When you give the government the power to determine what is and isn't pornography, you're taking the short end of a very long bet.

If you love the war on drugs--no-knock raids, property seizure on mere accusation of wrongdoing, et cetera--then you're gonna LOVE the war on porn. One .jpeg file of a nekkid woman--quite possibly put on your computer without your knowledge while you were on the Internet--and the cops can seize everything you own. Great idea.

69 posted on 09/30/2004 2:52:50 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: jambooti; Tailgunner Joe
This has to be one of the most ridiculous threads I've seen on FR in my short time here.

This subject is one of TJ's favorites. He posts to it fairly regularly.

70 posted on 09/30/2004 2:53:35 PM PDT by jimt
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"Pornography is not "speech." Obscenity is not protected by the First Amendment."

I see. Since what is considered "obscene" is open for interpretation what do you plan to do when a future liberal legislature decides that religious teaching is "obscene" and bans it?

You realize that many liberals already consider the bible to be "obscene" don't you? They would ban it in a heartbeat if they thought they could.

Thankfully the courts don't seem in them mood to ban much of anything these days, so I think both you and the liberals are out of luck/


71 posted on 09/30/2004 2:55:50 PM PDT by monday
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To: CSM
"What value is forced morality?"

That's answered in the article : "3. It is inevitable that the law will codify and teach moral values not shared by some portion of the society -- usually a minority."

Some look to the law to guide their behavior -- they have no internal concept of morality.

72 posted on 09/30/2004 2:56:22 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Antoninus
I just wish these libertines would quit trying to force their immorality on the rest of us...

It's your side who wants to send in the people with guns, and put people in jail.

Let's try to use language like "force" properly.

73 posted on 09/30/2004 3:00:22 PM PDT by jimt
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To: Paloma_55
I get a kick out of those who claim that the government is not in the business of legislating morality.

The government exists to keep others from denying us our rights, not to tell us what we can, or cannot read. If it isn't hurting anyone but the user, and he or she is aware of the danger, what business is it of yours to stick your nose in and tell them they can't do it?

74 posted on 09/30/2004 3:00:42 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Poohbah
When you give the government the power to determine what is and isn't pornography, you're taking the short end of a very long bet.

It already has this power.

If you love the war on drugs--no-knock raids, property seizure on mere accusation of wrongdoing, et cetera--then you're gonna LOVE the war on porn.

Well I certainly won't concede defeat in the war on drugs like you have. If you don't like asset forfeiture laws then abolish them. You go further, aligning yourself with narco gangsters to destroy society. Conservatives stand in your way.

75 posted on 09/30/2004 3:00:55 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
There is no constitutional protection for obscenity, federal or state

There's such a thing as federal and state obscenity...?

76 posted on 09/30/2004 3:01:24 PM PDT by paulklenk (Blue Fairy, please make Dan Rather a real boy!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Geez, organized crime's association with the liquor trade ended when Prohibition did. What makes you think legalizing drugs won't have the same effect?


77 posted on 09/30/2004 3:02:28 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: jimt
I do it for you ahem fine gentlemen who obviously love this subject so much.
78 posted on 09/30/2004 3:03:38 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: freeeee
"yet we have the most unconstitutional government in history."

According to who? You?

Excuse me, but who died and made you King of Constitutional Interpretation?

Your problem is with Congress, not the Constitution.

80 posted on 09/30/2004 3:06:41 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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