Minorities majority in more areas

USA Today via Yahoo ^ | September 20, 2004 | Haya El Nasser and Paul Overberg

[backtothestreets]

Speaking of labor unions and Mexico...

The labor union representing teachers has recently negotiated a shorter school day with the government. The school day is now just 4 hours long. There's a good warning in that story for our country. I am not automatically opposed to labor unions, but am very opposed to labor unions participating in politics.

Also, the culture that has developed these last couple decades is as you say pro-narcotrafficante. That has spilled into our country. The Mexican Mafia is very present, and quite satisfied to run operations from the security of our prisons. This development coupled with our weak criminal justice system in general makes me want to want a new type of prison. I'd call it a maximum capacity prison as opposed to a maximum security description. If it had a thousand bunks, when inmate 1001 arrived, the longest serving inmate would automatically go to the executioner's door.

Somehow we've got to find a way of empowering the good people of Mexico to throw off the present government and corruption. It's necessitated by our own survival and presents the only real long term solution to illegal immigration.

[Old Professer]

The Tennessean, a Gannett publication, ran this story on 1B yesterday and on page 2B had a picture of two indictees wearing paper bag masks (line-up preparation) who were members of a band of lonesome lotharios from south of the border who made good on a reneged contract with a wandering waif of 20 who was trying to pick up bus money; they left her lifeless body on the bathroom floor of a laundromat - strangled, bruised and raped.

[rmlew]

"What is mainstream America to you?" People who put American in the silly race column in standardized forms.
People who can sing "My Country tis of Thee" without irony.
Essentially, British-Americans and those who have assimilated to this.

[FITZ]

I don't like it either --- especially with regards to race or ethnicity. It implies an inferior status --- for example people from India are also a minority as far as numbers but they don't dwell on their ethnicity or skin tone being some kind of handicap --- so no one refers to them as a minority. They are Caucasians but as far as skin and hair color can be very dark but are usually successful and fit comfortably in the middle and upper classes.

Besides --- educated, working middle class Americans have a lot more in common across race and ethnicity than any have within their race. A lot of whites should watch the Jerry Springer show when it's the white morons displaying themselves and decide if being lumped in with people on the basis of race and nothing else really makes much sense.

[OhGeorgia]

welcome to the end of the Republic

[cyborg]

I've never referred to myself as a minority simply because I automatically associate it with being a victim, being oppressed,etc. Once you box yourself into a group, you have to accept all that goes along with that label. I prefer American and usually leave it at that unless it's an argument and I have to get nasty *lol* Yeah but you're right. Why isn't anyone making a big deal over Vijay Singh? Or Stephen Ames? They're technically minorities in golf. There aren't as many Indians or Trinidadians in golfing as they are Americans. It's not a label I would happily accept.

[cyborg]

People who put American in the silly race column in standardized forms.

** I put MYOB. Does that count? :o)

[FITZ]

Somehow we've got to find a way of empowering the good people of Mexico to throw off the present government and corruption.

But how? There are some good people -- I'm not sure how much we can do --- it may have to be something they have to do --- and there are signs that they might --- some recent very large (nationwide) but peaceful protests against violence and corruption. We also have to accept that Mexico is a different kind of country and culture --- they aren't and can't become just like we are. You see it in many of the people --- especially the Indians and campesinos --- they don't want to become like we are any more than they wanted to be like the Spaniards so there has always been a multiculturalism in Mexico that keeps it divided. It's like that move with India Maria --- "Ni de aqui, ni de alla" where her father begged her not to go to the USA to work because she would become neither from here nor there.

[backtothestreets]

FITZ, I enjoy this dialog we're having. It's stimulating.

I've a friend that participated in the protest against violence and corruption that took place in Mexico City in May. She said some two million people took part. The government downplayed the protest and placed the figure at two hundred thousand.

In Juarez where the scores of young women have been murdered, the public outcry has been so loud the government is attempting to quell it by giving a house and land to the families of each of the victims. This has only enraged the people further as the people want the government to investigate the murders, not simply cover them over with token gifts.

Whatever comes about it will be painful, and that pain will undoubtedly be felt on our side of the border. There is a large portion of the Mexican population that greatly admires our country. If this population ever rises up against the corrupt government of Mexico I'd hope some of our citizens would lend support much like they did when Texas revolted. Our government will not assist, just as they lent no visible support during the Texas revolt.

Back to the primary question of illegal immigration, and specifically the violent criminal element of that population, I've a thought. Here in California we've a law called 10-20-life. It states if a gun is used in the commission of a crime it's an automatic 10 term. Fire the gun in that crime and it's an automatic 20 term. Kill someone during the crime and it's automatically a life sentence. I'm wondering if a similar law can be crafted for the illegal immigrants involved in property and assault crimes. It's just a thought.

[MegaSilver]

See my post #8. I see that as more of a problem with liberal American citizens who created the welfare state over the nature of our current immigrants.

The liberal American citizens could not have done it without a group of unassimilated immigrants to vote for them.

[MegaSilver]

The point is, most poor immigrants will jump on whatever bennies the government provides to them. The difference in 1905 was the government didn't provide all these bennies. And the people who changed that weren't immigrants, they were American liberals. If you want to blame someone for immigrant abuse of the welfare state, blame the architects of that state.

Too late.

The immigrants are voting for the party that gives them the most benefits.

[FITZ]

where the scores of young women have been murdered, the public outcry has been so loud the government is attempting to quell it by giving a house and land to the families of each of the victims

Yes -- I saw that -- like a bribe to shut them up, stop talking about what took place. I think 30 mothers so far have been paid their bribes -- a brand new house.

[FITZ]

where the scores of young women have been murdered, the public outcry has been so loud the government is attempting to quell it by giving a house and land to the families of each of the victims

Yes -- I saw that -- like a bribe to shut them up, stop talking about what took place. I think 30 mothers so far have been paid their bribes -- a brand new house.

[avbsoftworks]

I find it interesting that americans don't seem to understand the simple truth of it all. Every good thing ends as the tide rolls in and out so do great nations rise and fall. Do you honestly believe that the USA will last for ever! There will be something lesser or greater after this nation. That is the way of things. It will happen slowly barring catastrophy, probable over several hendred years. In the end the people will be subjugated and enslaved until courage overcomes fear. Read your history and be proud that you live at the hieght of the american empire.

[backtothestreets]

Did you happen to notice the size of the houses? They are 200 square feet. I think there are kids playhouses that rival that size. Two hundred square feet wouldn't even rate as a studio apartment in this country. The Mexican government said the combined value of the houses and land was about $12K per recipient.