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American Jews Will Support Bush!
UPI ^ | 09/30/04 | Rabbi Daniel Lapin

Posted on 09/30/2004 8:36:26 AM PDT by nypokerface

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To: wideawake

Not expecting the Jewish vote to go to Bush either, but I imagine he will get more than he did 4 years ago.

Had dinner with an intermarried couple like my wife and I last night, only they are liberals. Very nice people, though, and good friends.

I was shocked and appalled to find out that the (Jewish) lady's favorite Democrat is Hillary, who is seemingly an anti semite. I mean it's one thing to think you are a "liberal," but wanting to vote for a commie as president of the US is way over the top.

OTOH, the 4 of us aren't young anymore, and I think it is the younger generation of Jews that has a chance of leaving the traditional leftist fold.


41 posted on 09/30/2004 10:43:29 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree
I was shocked and appalled to find out that the (Jewish) lady's favorite Democrat is Hillary, who is seemingly an anti semite.

What does she think of that photograph of HELLARY giving Arafat's wife on the cheek?

42 posted on 09/30/2004 10:48:33 AM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: Syco
The more John Kerry talks about a European and Mideast world summit to iron-out the differences between the Israelis and Palestinians the more American Jews will defect from the Democratic Party.

Such a conference will only see the intransigence of the Israelis and the evils of America's support for Israel. This will not be a summit that looks for a solution to the Palestinian-Israeli problem, it will be a forum to discuss the destruction of the State of Israel.

When such a conference meets (under a Kerry Administration) only then will American Jews vote in majority numbers for the Republican Party. Having said that I think Jewish support will be greater this year than it was four years ago. Thirty-percent, maybe.
43 posted on 09/30/2004 10:51:08 AM PDT by daviscupper
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To: bootless

I'm sure she has a way to rationalize or overlook it, if she is aware of that picture. It may not have gotten as much play in the mainstream press as here on FR?

Left leaning Jews have so far been able to overlook the rising tide of leftist anti semitism.

And, in my experience, although they love Israel, they tend to side with Israel's Left and favor things like the Stockholm Accord or whatever it was called.


44 posted on 09/30/2004 10:56:59 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Sam Cree

That's unfortunate. Here in the Bay Area, seeing the blatantly anti-Semitic demonstrations at campuses like San Francisco State chills my blood. I would like to see the threads between terrorist Islam and the Nazis more clearly drawn ... I don't recall the name, but Hitler had a Muslim cleric as one of his liaisons to the Middle East, and it was brutal.

Right now, holding off the Islamofascists is very important in preventing another Holocaust. These guys don't think that Hitler went far enough.


45 posted on 09/30/2004 11:01:33 AM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

In honor of Sukkot!


46 posted on 09/30/2004 11:01:48 AM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: bootless

I think the Islamic strain of anti Semitism is showing up more and more clearly on the Jewish radar and is one of the reasons why Bush will get a larger share of the Jewish vote this time around, assuming that I am right about him getting that.

We celebrated the Yom Kippur feast with different friends the other night, I think at least half (maybe more) of the people there were planning on voting for Bush. It wouldn't have been that way 10 years ago.


47 posted on 09/30/2004 11:11:35 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: nypokerface

A nice essay but not a very well made argument.


48 posted on 09/30/2004 11:18:38 AM PDT by beckett
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To: SJackson
For Sukkot, I gotta listen to a couple of congenitally clueless Patrick Buchanan wannabes whinny about MY duty to vote Republican...?

Ech...! :)

49 posted on 09/30/2004 11:21:10 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: nypokerface

Sorry Rabbi. Jews will vote the same as Arab Americans. That's sad but true.


50 posted on 09/30/2004 11:25:07 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 ( Kerry's not "one of us": catholicsagainstkerry.com. needs your help.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
For Sukkot, I gotta listen to a couple of congenitally clueless Patrick Buchanan wannabes whinny about MY duty to vote Republican...?

Sure, you've been here long enough to know that all Democrats are disloyal. How it is I know more combat vets that vote D to R escapes me.

51 posted on 09/30/2004 11:34:03 AM PDT by SJackson (They're not Americans. They're just journalists, Col George Connell, USMC)
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To: SJackson
How it is I know more combat vets that vote D to R escapes me.

It's... it's... it's almost as if they were voting in favor of their own EXECUTIONERS -- ! :)

52 posted on 09/30/2004 11:40:42 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

You are exactly right. Nope, ain't gonna happen. As a group they vote for their persecutors. I still can't figure out how any good American could vote for Kerry given his Senate track record alone, much less all the other garbage.

RB


53 posted on 09/30/2004 12:48:43 PM PDT by brushcop (American first, last, always--no hyphens here.)
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To: brushcop
As a group they vote for their persecutors.

Okay. Just so you won''t feel I misled you, later on down the road: you DO know my comment was in response to SJackson's, re: combat vets, right...? :)

54 posted on 09/30/2004 12:58:13 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Sam Cree

That's a hopeful sign ...


55 posted on 09/30/2004 1:45:26 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget - And Never Again)
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To: nypokerface
Early arrivals in both America and Israel found the lands to be populated by pagans who knew nothing of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; in one case, American Indians and in the other, Canaanites. Both people built their capital cities in a manner designed to guarantee equal access for all.
Jerusalem was not supposed to be a cosmopolitan city. Has Rabbi Lapin read the Kings II and all of the Prophets after Samuel?
56 posted on 09/30/2004 2:10:43 PM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: carrier-aviator

David Horowitz is a child of these same communist parents and he has realized the perfidy of communism. Today he is certainly one of the most prominent anti-communists and pro-Republicans in the country.

There are quite a few just like him. They are just not as visible as the Barbra Streisands.

Older Jews remember the anti-Semitism of pre-World War Two in the U. S. (Remember Henry Ford and Charles Limburgh, as two examples). They loved FDR and have never forgotten him and have voted Democrat ever since.

Younger Jews don't have those memories or those loyalties. They are not locked in to the Democrat Party and more will be voting Republican in this election and in future elections.


57 posted on 09/30/2004 2:12:10 PM PDT by Naomi4
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To: Syco

I read all these threads and everyone is so concerned about what a spare 2% of the population will do. It defies reason. Jews are only enough of a voting block in New York and Florida to have much effect on the national election.

Why is everyone so concerned about where the Jewish vote goes?

It must be for reasons of moral validation.

For some strange reason, it seems to matter to some whether Jews support particular positions, programs or political causes. It seems somehow to lend moral stature to these efforts.

After reading some of these threads and the comments of various posters, I would keep my vote private and privileged information. I desire neither the anti-Semitic sneers of some, the ignorance of the few, or the fawning and pandering of others.

Some of the posters have no idea how offensive their comments are both to Jews and to blacks.

Blacks, by the way, are beginning to break away from the Democrat Party too. Middle class blacks are finding more in common with the moral principles of the Republican Party than with the Democrat Party. It is a trickle now, but within a few more elections it will be a flood. Unless, of course, they were to read some of the unflattering and racist comments of some of the posters here.


58 posted on 09/30/2004 2:21:46 PM PDT by Naomi4
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To: bayourod
IMHO, Joe Liberman has taken a low-profile in the Kerry Campaign, or am I missing something?

I just don't "get it" as far as why Jews would vote for Kerry vs. Bush.
59 posted on 09/30/2004 2:22:13 PM PDT by not2worry (Clinton's Arafat Kisses Insure W Misses......the Jewish Vote?)
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To: Naomi4

Jewish people are often "over achievers" and usually exert influence out of all proportion to the their numbers. Even Mark Twain remarked on this. So while their votes are not many, their influence is noticable.

Yes, I agree with you that there are offensive comments and that they have a negative effect.


60 posted on 09/30/2004 8:47:06 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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