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John Kerry not awarded Honorable Discharge until March 2001
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Posted on 09/29/2004 9:19:32 PM PDT by TomVan

Kerry's Military Records

This is more than an eye opener. Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore... Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.

There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable.

My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted. His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.

This will blow up in his face before October 15th.

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On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty &ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 &$5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive.

On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy. 2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate. 3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam. 4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA. 5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words &actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath . to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs" www.authentiseal.org __________________________________________________


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To: toupsie

This has absolutely nothing to do with his military service way back then. It has everything to do with his integrity, honesty, and hypocrisy in this case. If you think it is as shallow as looking back 30+ years, you're quite misinformed, or sympathetic to Kerry.


21 posted on 09/29/2004 9:33:55 PM PDT by datura (The DNC is America's wannabe politburo.)
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To: RichardW

"I would assume that the White House is aware of this. I would hope so and that the press, such as it is, will give this as much attention as they did Bush's NG service. That's a laugh. They'll bury it on page 69."

Laugh, it is really a joke. Michael Dobbs of the WAPO has a hit piece out, he says neither Bush nor Kerry has released all their military records. Then just show he was fair and liberally balanced, he used 90% of the screed to bash Bush.


22 posted on 09/29/2004 9:34:29 PM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: ClintonBeGone
"Please check your facts. It's very possible that he didn't actually end his time in the IRR (inactive reserves) until 2001. You don't actually get the honorable discharge until you're done with the IRR component of your service"

Kerry went in the service when, 1966? You saying that Kerry had about 35 years of military obligation?

23 posted on 09/29/2004 9:34:30 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("the frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" Pope Urban II (c 1097 a.d.))
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To: TomVan

Those Dems have brass ones ... here they're harping on Bush missing a physical for legitmate reasons with an honorable discharge etc. and this creep doesn't get an honorable discharge till thirty years later!


24 posted on 09/29/2004 9:34:36 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: TomVan

I wonder when the Wizard is going to award him some common sense.


25 posted on 09/29/2004 9:34:45 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: toupsie
The future is what matters most to me.

Past is prologue.

26 posted on 09/29/2004 9:34:51 PM PDT by elbucko (A Feral Republican)
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To: TomVan

OH MY!! This ex-marine is certainly curious as to why it took 30 years to get that honorable discharge. I hope it gets cleared up before the election. BHWWAH HA HA


27 posted on 09/29/2004 9:35:38 PM PDT by OH Swing Voter
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To: datura

Dont you get an honorable discharge seconds before you re-enlist? I know JK was an Officer but as far as waiting the the IRR to get an honorable discharge. I dont know about that. I believe you get it at the end of active service. I know this.


28 posted on 09/29/2004 9:37:42 PM PDT by BookaT (My Cat's Breath smells like Cat Food!)
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To: TomVan
Nice theory, but we need unimpeacable proof.

I think I have an old Selectric around here somewhere...

29 posted on 09/29/2004 9:38:10 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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To: OH Swing Voter

I'd be willing to bet that originally Carter's amnesty allowed Kerry to get his honorable, but it took all these years to erase the original dishonorable from his files. Maybe they had to wait for Berger to finish the sanitization for him.


30 posted on 09/29/2004 9:39:00 PM PDT by datura (The DNC is America's wannabe politburo.)
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To: igoramus987

Notice how he talks around a direct and straight forward answer.

"Oh no, no, that has never been questioned"

That could be a half truth. The issue could be in question.....but no reporter questioned him on it at that time.

That is how he dodges every other tough question.


31 posted on 09/29/2004 9:39:22 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: TomVan
This isn't new. Move on.

OOOps! Sorry for the move on crack.

32 posted on 09/29/2004 9:39:57 PM PDT by Camachee
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To: datura

Well I'm sure Berger did a good job, the democRATS can count on him. Ha Ha Ha.


33 posted on 09/29/2004 9:41:40 PM PDT by OH Swing Voter
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To: ClintonBeGone
"Please check your facts. It's very possible that he didn't actually end his time in the IRR (inactive reserves) until 2001. You don't actually get the honorable discharge until you're done with the IRR component of your service."

Say What? Are you saying that Kerry was under military obligation for over 30 years? What in the world have you been smokin' guy?

34 posted on 09/29/2004 9:42:08 PM PDT by Iam1ru1-2
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To: ClintonBeGone; datura; All

That's correct. My IRR was two years. ...anyone else here have a longer IRR status?


35 posted on 09/29/2004 9:43:01 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: lafroste

Carl Rove just announced the RNC has TWO OCTOBER SURPRISES.
HEHEHEEEEEHEHEHHHHe (maybe the Navy records clerk has a slow leak)


36 posted on 09/29/2004 9:43:14 PM PDT by Uncle George
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To: BookaT

I know I got my honorable at the end of my service, since I had no IRR time after being in 10 years. No matter what, it just isn't likely that Kerry doesn't have something MAJOR to hide in those files or he would've done so immediately. His ego woudn't have it any other way.

Heck, he might have even had a BCD for his actions in 1971 instead of just a dishonorable. That would require more strings than the Carter amnesty to clean up completely.


37 posted on 09/29/2004 9:43:34 PM PDT by datura (The DNC is America's wannabe politburo.)
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To: ClintonBeGone; datura; All

That is, there's no IRR for 30 years. LOL! Anyone else here have or know of any IRR lasting longer than two years?


38 posted on 09/29/2004 9:44:07 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: TomVan
This will blow up in his face before October 15th. Wow. Do you have info that someone is going to blow this wide open? You need to get this to Drudge, if you haven't already?
39 posted on 09/29/2004 9:44:42 PM PDT by no dems (Does the BC/'04 Campaign staff monitor this website? If not, they should.)
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To: datura
No matter what, it just isn't likely that Kerry doesn't have something MAJOR to hide in those files or he would've done so immediately.

I read somewhere. The Swift Vets include his superior officers, some of whom wrote evaluations on him. Their book is called "Unfit for Command". Maybe one of the evaluations that he hasn't released contains the words...
40 posted on 09/29/2004 9:48:35 PM PDT by igoramus987
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