E-Mail Making The Rounds: Reinstating the DRAFT -- a Bill After the Elections!

E-Mail | 9/29/04 | Douglas P. Olsen

[publius1]

Just got this today from one of my D friends. This is the kind of stuff making the rounds out there.

[So Cal Rocket]

If any of your lib friends come up to you and tell you that the draft might come back, here's what you do:

1. Feign becoming upset.

2. State "I would never vote for ANYONE in a political party that would bring back the draft!"

3. Engage them in a conversation in the topic - get them riled up.

4. Get them to agree that bringing back the draft is a bad idea and that whatever party is sponsoring it should not be running the Government.

5. After they agree, say "We need to do some research, to see what individuals are sponsoring legislation to bring back the draft - and vote everyone in that party out of office!"

6. Walk over to the computer and go to the House of Representatives website http://www.house.gov and look up HR 163 "Reinstate Draft Bill" and while you're doing it with your liberal friend, mumble under your breath "I can't believe these dirty politicians want to bring back the draft - we need to get rid of those guys who are sponsoring it".

7. Act VERY surprised when you look up the sponsor of the bill. "Oh my gosh... it's not a Republican, it's Charlie Rangel, a Democrat!"

8. Look up the co-sponsors, "Oh my gosh... they're ALL Democrats - all 14 of them!!".

9. Say, "Well, let's see what the Senate has to say on this". Go to the Senate website http://www.senate.gov and look up S89 "Reinstate Draft Bill".

10. Say, "We need to vote these guys out too!" Act surprised when you find the sponsor of the bill is Fritz Hollings - a Democrat!

11. Look at your lib friend and say, "We agreed, we need to vote out the party that is trying to bring back the draft - so we have to vote out all the Democrats".

[Pete]

I saw this on CBS last night so it must be true.

OK, I'm kidding. I would never actually watch CBS.

But they did report it.

[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

I have been sending this out as much as possible.

NO ONE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO COMMIT FRAUD IN AN ELECTION.  THE FOLLOWING LINKS

COME FROM THOMAS ( http://thomas.loc.gov/ ) A SERVICE OF THE US LIBRARY OF CONGRESS. 

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The email about the draft being sent out as well as the media reports on it is a complete fraud.

First of all, only Congress can reinstate a draft, not the President. Secondly, there are two bills

with only Democrats sponsoring and cosponsoring.   This is a political DIRTY TRICK!!!!!!!!! 

 

DAN RATHER is more credible.   Republicans do not want a draft. DEMOCRATS DO !!!

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Click on the links and see for yourself . Don't be manipulated.

Don't let the slimy media people lie to you! Know the TRUTH!   

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SENATE BILL

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Sponsor: Sen Hollings, Ernest F. [SC]  (introduced 1/7/2003)  [DEMOCRAT]    Cosponsors (None)

 

LINK TO BILL:

s.89   Senate bill to reinstate draft

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:s.00089:

 

 

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HOUSE BILL

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Sponsor: Rep Rangel, Charles B. [NY-15] (introduced 1/7/2003)  [DEMOCRAT]    

 

 Cosponsors (14) [EVERY SINGLE ONE A DEMOCRAT]

Rep Abercrombie, Neil [HI-1] - 1/7/2003	Rep Brown, Corrine [FL-3] - 1/28/2003
Rep Christensen, Donna M. [VI] - 5/19/2004	Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy [MO-1] - 1/28/2003
Rep Conyers, John, Jr. [MI-14] - 1/7/2003	Rep Cummings, Elijah E. [MD-7] - 1/28/2003
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. [FL-23] - 1/28/2003	Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. [IL-2] - 7/21/2004
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila [TX-18] - 1/28/2003	Rep Lewis, John [GA-5] - 1/7/2003
Rep McDermott, Jim [WA-7] - 1/7/2003	Rep Moran, James P. [VA-8] - 1/28/2003
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete [CA-13] - 1/7/2003	Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. [NY-12] - 1/28/2003

Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes [DC] - 1/28/2003(withdrawn - 6/21/2004)

 

LINK TO BILL:

h.r.163 House bill to reinstate draft

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:

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[LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget]

Links dont work as posted - closing : needed, but it works in the emails.

[Maria S]

Go to website to read in its entirety. I thought this had been posted enough times over the past several weeks that EVERYONE had seen it by now! Guess not.


Draft Fears Fueled by Inaccurate E-mails
A scare story spreads electronically, but it gets facts wrong.
June 15, 2004
http://www.factcheck.org/printerFriendly.aspx?docid=200
Modified:June 15, 2004
Summary
Several FactCheck subscribers have asked about an e-mailed rumor that is causing a lot of anxiety. It claims that steps are being taken to resume military conscription next year. But the message abounds with misinformation and half-truths. And some experts say conscription is the last thing the military wants or needs, despite being stretched thin in Iraq.
Analysis

We can't say whether this one is deliberate misinformation or just sloppy reporting, but it sure is generating a lot of needless anxiety. It amounts to another "lying e-mail" of the kind we've warned about before (check the links to "related articles" at the end of this one.)

[Bigoleelephant]

This is actually very clever. Looks like the draft is their last ditch effort to scare folks into voting for them. Nobody's going to mention who sponsored the bills, save us, to the general public. CBS? NBC? ABC? CNN? I don't think so.

[pieces of time]

You should send that info to CBS. They seem to have a shortage of researchers in their News Department. They were only able to find the e-mail part of the story not who was sponsoring the bills.
For interest, you can add this link to John Kerry's website:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040210043828/www.johnkerry.com/issues/natservice/
This was on another post earlier.

[Michael.SF.]

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 7, 2003

Mr. RANGEL(D) (for himself, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mr. CONYERS(D), Mr. LEWIS(D) of Georgia, Mr. STARK(D), and Mr. ABERCROMBIE(D)) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services

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These bastards really tick me off. This is nothing more then a campaign ploy to try and make people think that because of this war, we must re-institute the draft. Thus the idiots who fall for this crap will vote against Bush. This is about as low as snake poop, which James Carville has to stand on a ladder to see. These guys do not give a rats rear end for anything but their own party and the defeat of President Bush.

I would say more, but we are not supposed to use profanity.

One question to you DU LURKERS How the hell do you guys look yourself in the mirror each day knowing that your party will stoop to such crap to try and further your pathetic agenda?

Have some pride in yourselves and stand up for what you really believe in and do not hide behind falsely based legislation with a phony agenda.

[momfirst]

I absolutely LOVE your suggestion! My brother is a new 18 yr old voting member of society, in college (need I say more beyond that point?), and severely liberal. I just may have to do this with him - no I WILL have to do this with him....and my mother....and my other brother....and my son (who is only 13, but is one of the minority conservatives in his school - give him some practice and ammo to the students that continually harass him)

Thank you!!!

[knuthom]

I got one of those draft-scare emails. I hit reply-to-all and sent out the following. I didn't hear a word back from anyone else on the list.

"If you want to vote against the party which has sponsored both the bills about the draft, you will have to vote Republican. That's right, the bills were sponsored and introduced by Democrats.

HR 163 - was introduced by New York Democrat Rep. Charles Rangel on Jan. 7, 2003

Senate bill is S. 89, was introduced by Democrat Ernest Hollings of South Carolina, also on Jan. 7, 2003."

[feedback doctor]

This is actually very clever. Looks like the draft is their last ditch effort to scare folks into voting for them. Nobody's going to mention who sponsored the bills, save us, to the general public. CBS? NBC? ABC? CNN? I don't think so.

Email this guy Douglas.Olsen@Yale.edu and let him know that you appreciate him enlightening you, that you checked out the sites he mentioned, and there were sponsers of this bill that you were going to vote for but now that you know you will not vote for them. Let him know that this has persuaded you to change your vote to Republican.

[Chode]

Dubya need to KILL this rumor once and for all in one of the debates!!!

[ColoCdn]

Emailed the nursing doctor (kind of oxymoronic, isn't it?) and told him I was afraid for my kids if the dems ever got in.

[Old Professer]

I tried to run your post through the spell-checker but my computer locked up.

[CyberAnt]

"The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now"

THIS IS A BLATANT LIE! Even Rangel (D-NY) who wrote the stupid bill has publically said on Hannity & Colmes that the bill is not even being brought up for a vote. [but these people do lie a lot]

THE DEMOCRATS HAVE WRITTEN THIS BILL TO TRY TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO VOTING FOR KERRY .. AND IT'S THE DEMOCRATS WHO HAVE WRITTEN THE LEGISLATION - NOT THE REPUBLICANS.

I'm all for overwhelming this guy with email - just to let him know WE KNOW the democrats' scheme is a scare tactic and his statements are just plain lies.

[CyberAnt]

Very clever .. it will definitely get a conversation going.

[sitewriter]

We should start an email-writing campaign to those senators/representatives who have sponsored the 2 bills, telling them that we agree with the President... that we don't believe it is necessary to reinstate the draft, and to "kill" the bill.

[fhlime]

Refer your D friend to this entry from Captain's Quarters http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/:
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..lost in the shuffle until now is John Kerry's proposal to
require service for high-school [students], found by Swimming Through The Spin http://snipurl.com/9f7a . Brian found the original web page archived, as somehow this proposal has been mysteriously deleted from the John Kerry website. Since the Democrats brought this up, what exactly are the plans for American youth under a Kerry/Edwards administration?

[As part of his 100 day plan to change America, John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes requiring mandatory service for high school students and four years of college tuition in exchange for two years of national service.]
http://snipurl.com/9f78

The more expansive PDF of Kerry's plan doesn't detail how the mandatory high-school service is supposed to work, nor does it clearly explain how they plan to pay for four years of college tuition for the 500,000 students per year they expect to put through this program, other than closing a loophole that allows lenders on student loans to keep extra interest paid. If a "typical public university" charges $5,000 per year for tuition -- a rather moderate amount these days -- then just the cost for the first year alone will be $10 billion, not the $12 billion over 10 years that Kerry claims. ($20,000 times 500,000 students = $10 billion.)

It seems that Kerry has once again been caught in a severe case of projection, and once again has deleted pages from his web site to cover his tracks. His party squeals about a draft which only they have proposed restarting while trying to back-door a plan for indentured servitude for the teenagers of America.