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Canada's Prophets of Pessimism (Is It the Weather?) -- Or is it the politics?
New York Times ^ | September 29, 2004 | CLIFFORD KRAUSS

Posted on 09/29/2004 6:03:59 AM PDT by OESY

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1 posted on 09/29/2004 6:04:00 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY
Canada is in decline

Well, at least they don't have very far to fall.
2 posted on 09/29/2004 6:15:19 AM PDT by schaketo (Notorious for skinny dippin' in the same pond as snappin' turtles)
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To: OESY
"It(Canada) once built great railroads, conquered the Arctic and had the world's fourth largest armed forces at the end of World War II, pioneering peacekeeping in distant trouble spots."

You would think an Historian would know better. Virtually all of these accomplishments belong to Great Britain.

Despite never fighting for their freedom; Canada was granted her independence, well after WWII, by a benevolent Great Britain. Canada is an incredibly young nation, that is just now building her own history.

3 posted on 09/29/2004 6:15:49 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: OESY
Several of the new school of thinkers were young in the era of Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, a leader whose panache and focus on big national issues like opening Canada to "third world" immigration and striking an independent foreign policy made him recognizable around the world. His policies are criticized by some of these same thinkers for shrinking the size of the military and diluting the national character. But at least, they say, he was a man of big dreams.

There is the key, Trudeau's "visions" of socialist paradise for Canada. Trotting on the path to "shining vision" of Socialism, where there is better tommorrow, everything is free and averyone is happy. Instead of dumping and bitching about US, time to wake up O'Canada, or you will end up Soviet Union way, with brain drain South - colored freeloaders in. (Wanna adopt sKerry?)

It's not the cold, it's stupid!

4 posted on 09/29/2004 6:17:20 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (Vote the RATS out!!!)
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"the days when Canada lifted far more than its weight to win World Wars I and II"

Again; British history, not Canadian.

Is this guy really a historian?

5 posted on 09/29/2004 6:19:48 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: OESY

Look at what 46 years of Trudeaupia wrought. Its going to be fun to watch the Liberals squirm as they face a less than glorious future in the minority Parliament that opens Monday.


6 posted on 09/29/2004 6:22:03 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: OESY
As an American who has lived in Canada and does business there on a regular basis, I can tell Mr. Cohen exactly what has happened.

Canada isn't even a nation, for all intents and purposes. The combination of 1) the nation's governing structure (a loose confederation of provinces), 2) the disparity between the French and British influences in languare and economics, and 3) the North American Free Trade Agreement has resulted in a country that functions as a collection of regional fiefdoms more than as a unified nation.

7 posted on 09/29/2004 6:26:48 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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I should clarify that . . . Post #7 was a response to this item in the article:

"What has happened to that sense, that impulse for excellence, that sense of ambition that gives life to a nation?'' asked Mr. Cohen in an interview. "We're a country with a strange attitude toward success."

8 posted on 09/29/2004 6:28:50 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: OESY
without taking any meaningful measures to re-engineer a system short on doctors, technology and affordable drugs.

Gee you don't hear much about this in the U.S. MSM, I wonder why? < sarcasm >

9 posted on 09/29/2004 6:32:27 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: laotzu
Is this guy really a historian?

Since you are not, it would be wise to get at least two facts straight when writing about Canadian history.

You do have a handle on one fact - that Canada was formerly British. The rest of your 'facts' are more like 'rhetorical flourishes'.

Canada entered WWI as a part of the British Empire, but entered WWII as a quite independent actor.

Socialism does not look good on any nation, even yours!

10 posted on 09/29/2004 6:38:08 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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"Canada entered..entered WWII as a quite independent actor."

No. Throughout WWII, Canada was a British colony.

11 posted on 09/29/2004 6:41:06 AM PDT by laotzu
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Well, I was born after WWII, but I know from many people who were there that they went to fight as Canadians. They may have technically been British subjects, but there were Canadian through and through. Of course that was when being Canadian meant something positive.

BTW, my dad flew Halifax bombers in WWII and told me on more than one occasion that when they were returning and couldn't make it to their home base, and therefore needed to find a base at which to land, they'd always seek out the Americans because they were treated so much better than they were by the arrogant Brits.

He loved, and still does love, Americans and the US.

Guess the fruit (no sexual stereotypes meant!) doesn't fall too far from the tree.


12 posted on 09/29/2004 6:50:18 AM PDT by gymbeau (Proud, card carrying member of the vast buffalo wing conspiracy)
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To: laotzu

Um...no, it wasn't.


13 posted on 09/29/2004 6:51:34 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Alberta's Child

I love the photos on your home page.
I live in Calgary, so naturally they strike close to home.

Cheers
Jim


14 posted on 09/29/2004 6:52:01 AM PDT by gymbeau (Proud, card carrying member of the vast buffalo wing conspiracy)
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To: OESY

How about for starters Canada actually voting for a real leader not some wimpy liberal commie.


15 posted on 09/29/2004 6:54:14 AM PDT by youngtory ("The tired, old, corrupt Liberal party is cornered like an angry rat"-Stephen Harper)
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To: laotzu

Wrong. The Statute Of Westminster made the White Dominions of the British Empire sovereign states. It was adopted by the Imperial Parliament in 1931 and then Canada, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand effectively became independent countries.


16 posted on 09/29/2004 6:54:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: headsonpikes
"The rest of your 'facts' are more like 'rhetorical flourishes'."

I am always eager to learn new facts, and welcome the correction of any of misunderstandings I may have.

Please advise when Canada's war for independence started, who were the Canadian heros that fought against the British, and when that noble struggle for freedom ended.

I eagerly await your display of knowledge, and facts, on this subject.

17 posted on 09/29/2004 6:56:01 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: gymbeau

Thanks. I was up in Calgary a couple of weeks ago. You didn't have much of a summer there, did you? LOL.


18 posted on 09/29/2004 6:58:24 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: headsonpikes
"Um...no, it wasn't"

Too many Canadians are woefully ignorant of their own history. However; I am not here to weaken another mans faith.

Canada has been subject to British rule, and her laws, well into the 1950s, 1960s, and even the '70s.

Interesting facts to consider would be when Canada wrote her own constitution, or adopted her own flag.

19 posted on 09/29/2004 7:06:05 AM PDT by laotzu
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"The rest of your 'facts' are more like 'rhetorical flourishes'."

I'm sorry. I couldn't hear you.

Tell me again; when was the Canadian war for independence?

20 posted on 09/29/2004 7:12:13 AM PDT by laotzu
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