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Switzerland: a Model for America on Immigration
Chronicles Magazine ^ | 28 September 2004 | Srdja Trifkovic

Posted on 09/28/2004 7:01:26 PM PDT by MegaSilver

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1 posted on 09/28/2004 7:01:27 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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That's a gross oversimplification and idealization of what really goes on in Switzerland.

First of all, the Swiss pride themselves on having invented "multiculturalism" (presuming you can tell the difference between the three major language groups).

Secondly, there are millions of Americans who are eligible to be Swiss citizens simply because an ancestor was Swiss. Just show up at the correct Canton at the right time (usually on or near your 18th birthday) and make your declaration.

We could overrun the place if we wished ~ and that's just me and my cousins, and not a one of them speaks French!

2 posted on 09/28/2004 7:14:36 PM PDT by muawiyah
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First of all, the Swiss pride themselves on having invented "multiculturalism" (presuming you can tell the difference between the three major language groups).

The Swiss are still rather local in their loyalties, however. Their "multiculturalism" is definitely NOT the salad bowl approach we see now in the United States, but more like a main course with several items: the French mingle mainly with the French, the Germans with the Germans, the Italians with the Italians, the Romansch with the Romansch.

It should also be pointed out that the four afforementioned cultures are fairly microdiacritic. Asian, Muslim, African, etc. immigrants are definitely macrodiactitic to the native Swiss population.

3 posted on 09/28/2004 7:25:05 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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Haven't been for about 12 years, it used to be paradise on earth, along with the Salzkammergut area of Austria. I did see one piece of graffiti in Zurich last time, hope it wasn't a harbinger. . .


4 posted on 09/28/2004 7:28:48 PM PDT by nimbysrule
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Look, wealthy Swiss have been bringing in house servants from all over ever since they figured out how to make money off goats and waterfalls.


5 posted on 09/28/2004 7:29:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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"In other words, Switzerland is still today what the United States had been before 1861."

So the author wants us to return to the immigration policies we had in 1861? Great, I'm sold!

6 posted on 09/28/2004 7:30:25 PM PDT by Fabozz
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To: MegaSilver; Congressman Billybob
And talking of soccer, let us recall that match in Los Angeles between Mexico and the United States in February 1998. The stands were full of Mexican flags. The fans booed The Star-Spangled Banner,
7 posted on 09/28/2004 7:34:52 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: MegaSilver

Its time to implement a zero-immigration policy in the United States.


8 posted on 09/28/2004 7:39:20 PM PDT by ryanjb2
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Yeah or at least a 10 year zero immigration period to get the mess sorted out that is the current case. Put resumption up for a vote in 8 years.


9 posted on 09/28/2004 7:49:55 PM PDT by JSteff
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Can you imagine the international outcry if we actually DID implement such a zero-immigration policy?

Hm.


10 posted on 09/28/2004 8:01:32 PM PDT by Norski
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So the author wants us to return to the immigration policies we had in 1861? Great, I'm sold!

Right there he's talking about its localized identity (i.e., the Confederacy).

11 posted on 09/28/2004 8:07:33 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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Haven't been for about 12 years, it used to be paradise on earth, along with the Salzkammergut area of Austria. I did see one piece of graffiti in Zurich last time, hope it wasn't a harbinger. . .

Not if my parents were telling me the truth about their visit last April. They say it was absolutely splendid.

12 posted on 09/28/2004 8:09:03 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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Look, wealthy Swiss have been bringing in house servants from all over ever since they figured out how to make money off goats and waterfalls.

Again, look up the terms "microdiacritic" and "macrodiacritic."

13 posted on 09/28/2004 8:09:48 PM PDT by MegaSilver
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Even if an applicant satisfies all other conditions, the local community in which he resides has the final say: it can interview the applicant and hold a public vote before naturalization is approved.

I wouldn't be in favor of something like this in the US. It seems pretty provincial. But, the Swiss have long had a reputation as being provincial.

14 posted on 09/28/2004 8:13:23 PM PDT by Modernman (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J.)
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BTTTTTTTTTTTTTT


15 posted on 09/28/2004 8:13:30 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: Norski
Can you imagine the international outcry if we actually DID implement such a zero-immigration policy?

Just a ban on immigration from everywhere south of the Mexican border (Latin America) would be great. A 20 year ban where the military would repel all illegal immigrants trying to jam past our southern border.

16 posted on 09/28/2004 8:19:13 PM PDT by dennisw (Gd is against Amelek for all generations.)
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To: MegaSilver

Using their rules for US, I guess only naive Americans can decide who will become citizens. If you are a descendant of immigrants, you cannot become a citizen even if you were born in US.


17 posted on 09/28/2004 8:29:04 PM PDT by Fishing-guy (D)
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Nope. Aboriginals are not part of our political history. They are the losers, not the owners of the land and American heritage.


18 posted on 09/29/2004 12:19:05 AM PDT by rmlew (Copperheads and Peaceniks beware! Sedition is a crime.)
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To: Fishing-guy

Well, you could ask the descendants of those the Swiss ascendants pushed out of Switzerland how they feel about it. But the Gauls are pretty snooty. :)

RE: Naive Americans, that's pretty silly. Why would we ask naive people anything. Might ask well ask them why they're voting for Kerry.


19 posted on 09/29/2004 1:15:38 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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I was just making a point that the Swiss policy that prevent third generation of people who were born in Switzerland from getting automatic citizenship makes no sense.


20 posted on 09/29/2004 10:52:46 AM PDT by Fishing-guy (D)
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