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THE AMERICAN SYSTEM VS. BRITISH FREE TRADE LOOTING
American Almanac ^ | 1995 | Marcia Merry-Baker and Anton Chaitkin

Posted on 09/27/2004 4:16:06 PM PDT by Destro

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To: Destro; iamright; AM2000; Iscool; wku man; Lael; international american; No_Doll_i; techwench; ...
Great explanation! End Free Traitin' now!

If you want on or off my offshoring ping list, please FReepmail me!

21 posted on 09/27/2004 6:46:26 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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To: ScottM1968
If you think that the Asian tigers are not trade restrioctionists, you are obviously not familiar with the concepts of kairetsu and chaebaeo (spellings may be off). You should read Fukuyama and Johnson for a discussion of their economic systems.
22 posted on 09/27/2004 6:52:23 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: investigateworld
You're obviously not in an area where illegals have driven the wages of such jobs down.
23 posted on 09/27/2004 6:53:12 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: investigateworld
Brain fart. I misread your post and apologize for the confusion. Just shows, don't post while cooking dinner.
24 posted on 09/27/2004 6:58:37 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: Sam the Sham

Back then the American cars were so poorly made that you were lucky if they lasted 3 years.


25 posted on 09/27/2004 7:07:24 PM PDT by gogipper (Zell Miller -- At last a Democrat who isn't truth impaired.....Give 'em hell Zell.)
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To: Destro

With free trade, you get paid what you are worth, not what you make people pay for what you think you are worth.

If you screw bumpers on cars, you are not worth $40 an hour. You are worth $7 an hour.

If you are a longshoreman in LA, pulling levers, you are not worth $120k a year. You are worth $12.

Unions need to die.


26 posted on 09/27/2004 7:20:47 PM PDT by MonroeDNA (Kerry is a traitor)
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To: ScottM1968

More nonsense.

As trade barriers are dumped French and Germans are seeing their jobs outsourced to Eastern Europe. It's a very big issue there, especially when these self same Eastern Europeans come with their hands out for EU subsidies. If the EU constitution is rejected, that will be the primary reason why.

The British model of free trade worked while England was the primary industrial power in the world. When it wasn't after 1870 it should have shifted to protectionism. It didn't. Joseph Chamberlain and other far sighted Edwardian politicians tried to shake the complacency of free trade without any success. Result ? The proximate cause of the collapse of British power. That English industry could not equip mass conscript armies in two world wars.

And technological change is a constant but not a change in value. A family car in 2004 is better than a family car in 1970. But the family in 1970 bought the car that was available to them. And it cost the same, adjusted for inflation, as the car of 2004. To consider technological change a change in value would result in some truly silly things. Like saying a Walmart clerk with a DVD player and computer is richer than Vanderbilt or Rockefellor or Morgan because they did not have these things.


27 posted on 09/27/2004 7:27:31 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: Sam the Sham; investigateworld

When I was young, a typical home's price was generally less than twice a man's salary. Now the typical home is three times a man and woman's typical salaries combined.

What is wrong with that picture?


28 posted on 09/27/2004 7:28:54 PM PDT by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: Destro

Wow. Bump!


29 posted on 09/27/2004 7:33:27 PM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: ScottM1968
I'd say your problem is you.

Of course you would. That's the free trader mindset, Not too different from the slaveowner mindset. Same people, different century. There's nothing new under the sun. Profit is all that matters to your type. Anything that restricts profit and uplifts the worker is evil. So by your ethos, Racketeering is just good business.

30 posted on 09/27/2004 7:46:00 PM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker

That's called 50 years of liberal policies topped off by a Republican predisposed to act like them on economic policy - save for tax cuts.


31 posted on 09/27/2004 7:47:03 PM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Destro

Bump


32 posted on 09/27/2004 7:59:23 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Havoc
The big industrialists who fund the think tanks that spout the Free Trade line, don't really believe in free trade either. Or maybe they do ...

In their view government is a convenient hurdle to try and place in front of other competitors. The corporations will tolerate even large hurdles placed in front of themselves, so long as the hurdle in front of their competitors is even larger.

If you have the power and freedom to throw a government tax or regulation in front of one of your competitors then the free market requires that you do so!

So why are all these free traders opposed to government? Is it because they are too lazy and too poor to afford to twist government in their direction?

I say stop wasting your time on FreeRepublic trying to convince us commie-pinko-tariff-loving-neanderthals of the correctness of your views and spend more time selling crap on e-bay, making eTrades, and turning houses for fun and profit.

33 posted on 09/27/2004 8:04:24 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Havoc
The big industrialists who fund the think tanks that spout the Free Trade line, don't really believe in free trade either. Or maybe they do ...

In their view government is a convenient hurdle to try and place in front of other competitors. The corporations will tolerate even large hurdles placed in front of themselves, so long as the hurdle in front of their competitors is even larger.

If you have the power and freedom to throw a government tax or regulation in front of one of your competitors then the free market requires that you do so!

So why are all these free traders opposed to government? Is it because they are too lazy and too poor to afford to twist government in their direction?

I say stop wasting your time on FreeRepublic trying to convince us commie-pinko-tariff-loving-neanderthals of the correctness of your views and spend more time selling crap on e-bay, making eTrades, and turning houses for fun and profit.

34 posted on 09/27/2004 8:05:07 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: ScottM1968
Welcome to FreeRepublic.

McKinley's points coincided with the Republican platform of the day. You need to come to grips with the fact that your "free trade" lunacy coincides with the leftists then and now. Leftists increase their power when the masses are kept impoverished and ignorant.

McKinley was shot by an anarchist (leftist).

Meanwhile Leon Czolgosz had been talking. The 28 year old blacksmith had come to Buffalo from his home in Cleveland three days before the shooting with just one purpose in mind: to murder the President of the United States. Over those three days he carefully rehearsed his plan. It is believed that Czolgosz was a student of noted Anarchist Emma Goldman. He stated that he opposed the form of Government practiced in the United States and gave the impression that he had done the country a favor. He claimed that he had no accomplices and that he acted completely alone.

35 posted on 09/27/2004 8:09:24 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Sam the Sham
Mr. Sham, I fear you really can't tell the difference between "sense" and "nonsense".

It's a Sham when a "conservative" laments that artificially high wages (nearly state-dictated) can somehow continue to exist without realizing they will bring that entire country down economically over time as the world makes choices despite (and around) that country's stupidity.

It's a Sham when a "conservative" can't see that a change in utility value obviously matters over time. With such a mindset, a Shammer must think a bushel of corn then versus the same as a bushel of corn now is a near infinite regression in value.

It's a Sham when a "conservative" quotes the former leader of the "Liberal Unionists" of England (Joseph Chamberlain) as somehow prescient--a man who was a self-proclaimed Imperialist in his basic approach to economics.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/PRchamberlainJ.htm

It's a Sham when a "conservative" fails to realize that the simple luxuries of today such as vaccines buy today's "pauper" life that the Vanderbilt of yore couldn't purchase with his entire fortune.

It's a Sham when a Sham Shams, isn't it?
36 posted on 09/27/2004 8:19:58 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: Havoc
No, you are perfectly wrong in your words.

I want what is best for all involved. I just don't have the gall to force others to pay me more for less through imposing laws.

I would rather that people continue to learn and grow so that their talents and abilities can shift to a more demanded trade when necessary.

I suppose you continue to lament the loss of the buggy-whip industry--am I not right? Don't forget to cry over the lack of a viable outhouse industry while you are at it.

And you call yourself a conservative?
37 posted on 09/27/2004 8:24:42 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
It's amazing how companies like Microsoft, Google, and Amazon could ever succeed in such an economically-manipulated country as ours, right? After all, the big industrialists are the only ones who can make a go of it all when we have free trade.

You expose a nutty philosophy. Are you sure you don't mean to put them on the DU forums?
38 posted on 09/27/2004 8:27:51 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: ScottM1968
The oft-cited buggy whip example is foolish. Buggy whip jobs were not lost because they were shipped overseas. Rather, they were lost because of new technology. The ex-whip makers went to work building cars for the likes of Ford, an industrialist who understood that he could be more successful by paying decent wages to enable his employees to buy his product.
39 posted on 09/27/2004 8:28:25 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: mhx; Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy
This is some LaRouchie thing, isn't it.

DING DING DING! No more calls, we have a winner!

40 posted on 09/27/2004 8:29:52 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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