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THE AMERICAN SYSTEM VS. BRITISH FREE TRADE LOOTING
American Almanac ^ | 1995 | Marcia Merry-Baker and Anton Chaitkin

Posted on 09/27/2004 4:16:06 PM PDT by Destro

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1 posted on 09/27/2004 4:16:08 PM PDT by Destro
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To: Destro

It is amazing, in light of how inherently unworkable free trade must be, that countries such as Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand, Hong Kong, and others are able to conquer a huge part of the world's economy (and without any native resources) though minimal (if any) trade tariffs.

I guess free trade is dead. Long live protectionism--NOT!!


2 posted on 09/27/2004 4:45:36 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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Just remember, ladies and gentlemen, that All Good Whigs oppose the Confederacy and support the Central Bank!


3 posted on 09/27/2004 4:48:27 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki kol 'elohei-ha`ammim 'elilim . . . veHaShem Shamayim `asah!)
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To: Destro

This is some LaRouchie thing, isn't it.


4 posted on 09/27/2004 5:10:34 PM PDT by mhx
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To: Destro
U.S. citizens, and even economists and historians in this country, have often never heard of the "American System" of economics which made our nation great.

It is funny how people define what "made our country great" as resulting from a given pet attitude. A common public service announcement (PSA) on radio often talks of our "diversity" as being what "made our country great", too.

The simple truth is that our country became great through (and despite) the many things which happen to us along the way. How we as a nation responded and developed through a mixture of varied circumstances, resources, and attitudes over time is what brought us to where we are today. It is as basic (and unattributable) as that.

The next time I hear someone steal the nation's greatness for such selfish motives I will simply have to respond, "No, this country became great only through my existence alone."

How's that for selfishness?
5 posted on 09/27/2004 5:12:55 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: mhx

I hope not.


6 posted on 09/27/2004 5:18:19 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: ScottM1968
In 1979, when I built my first home, I paid the lead carpenter $20 per hour and helpers $10. That was about the industry (high end) average, 'cause I hate "re-work".
Now a top carpenter makes $15 to $16 per hour, but what he can buy with the wage is less that half, and the home sells for 3X's as much. I'm just a simple country boy, but what's wrong with this picture?
7 posted on 09/27/2004 5:19:52 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Jimmy Carter; donor of Canals, J. F. Kerry, friend of Commie thugs everywhere)
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To: ScottM1968
Japan's distribution system makes it much more difficult for foreign companies to import goods into Japan, thus acting exactly as a tariff would.

"Free Trade" is not a practical and pragmatic part of a conservative viewpoint, but an ideology.

Carried to its logical conclusion, free trade cares not a whit about America as a going concern. Free trade would prefer it if there were a single global currency, a single global government with a common worldwide set of taxes and regulations. Then businesses would flourish or die solely on business practices and economic considerations.

It's OK for libertarians to be free trade ideologues because that's just one more pie-in-the-sky fantasy that they need to add to the oil-tanker-load of fantasies that they lull themselves to sleep with every night.

Conservatives, however, for some irrational reason actually care about the specific nation, state, and city that they happen to be born in or are currently living in. For some silly reason we humans feel comfortable around our own kind and living in our own cultural milieu, unlike the hypothetical units-of-consumption-and-production that the economic textbooks describe.

Through a highly competitive risk-and-reward system (commonly referred to as reality) all nations have developed very sophisticated ways of limiting free trade with or without the need for tariffs. Sometimes the walls to theoretically free trade are higher and sometimes lower. The demands of self-preservation seem to keep us at a reasonable balancing point, only that currently our fixation on free trade ideology seems to be working at the U.S.'s disadvantage.

A little economic tweaking in our favor will not result in a new and worse Depression. It will more likely stave off for a few more years our ultimate assimiliation into a noxious globalist goo.

8 posted on 09/27/2004 5:22:19 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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Minimal if any trade tariffs ? Are you delusional ? Try exporting rice to Japan. Good luck because somehow, someway the worthy Japanese inspectors will find it unfit for Japanese consumption, thereby protecting their own farm lobby.

The Asian economies borrowed the sage advice of Hamilton and McKinley and grew rich behind tariff walls.


9 posted on 09/27/2004 5:29:36 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: investigateworld

When I was young a new car loan was three years. Then it became four years. Now it is five or six years.

What's wrong with this picture ?


10 posted on 09/27/2004 5:31:59 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: investigateworld

Then I encourage you to spend the inflation-indexed wage rate to your current builders so they can buy more.

Why don't you stop complaining and vote your conscience with your own pocketbook? And allow the rest of us to vote how we want to as well.

I will choose what is best for me. This activity, by all of us (including your paying $50 an hour for help), helps everyone.

You can choose to give your charity through artificially high wages. I can choose give my charity in ways that further what I believe helps God.


11 posted on 09/27/2004 5:33:33 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: Sam the Sham
I am not talking about the more recent Japan--it was great before now. However, if you want to look at economic freedom, please visit the Heritage Foundation's most recent Index of Economic Freedom here:

http://www.heritage.org/research/features/index/countries.html

We aren't the same country as when we were once, either.

By the way, Hong Kong, Singapore, and New Zealand are still more economically free than are we. Are their economies shrinking?
12 posted on 09/27/2004 5:37:19 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: Sam the Sham
I don't know. You can buy an American-made Ford Focus for under $10,000.

Financing options have become more liberal now. Twenty years ago you couldn't find a lender willing to give such flexibility to people who wanted to "max-out" their luxuries by paying over time.

I'd say your problem is you.
13 posted on 09/27/2004 5:39:23 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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Yeah, I think it is. It's from the same web site as: LaRouche Declares "War" On Get-Clinton Mob
14 posted on 09/27/2004 6:20:43 PM PDT by mhx
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What nonsense you talk !

For your information, the Ford Focus is 13.5k according to the Blue Book.

And car prices are fairly constant across time, adjusted for inflation. The Mustang was 5k when it first came out in the mid 60's. Multiplying it times 6 (adjusting the value across time) you get 30K which is fairly close to now. The comparable model to the present Ford Focus would be the old Volkswagen Beetle which was around 2k then. Multiply it times 6 and you have the present price of a Ford Focus. So when the term to pay the same purchase price has to be stretched double, even you can see the obvious implication.

And as for the Asian economies, their foundation has been mercantilism, never free trade, because real world results were more important than vague theory.


15 posted on 09/27/2004 6:27:15 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: mhx

Thank you for your research on that.

It really helps me understand the nutty posts I've had to respond to on this thread.


16 posted on 09/27/2004 6:27:41 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: mhx

This post is well-researched. It states for all of FReeperdom the choice at hand: the English System of free trade vs. the American System of protectionism (which includes tariffs to raise revenues for the U.S. Federal Government). Long live Hamilton, Lincoln, Carey and McKinley!


17 posted on 09/27/2004 6:32:12 PM PDT by BrucefromMtVernon
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To: Sam the Sham
How do you speak to the growth of economies that reduce their own trade barriers?

Both China and Australia are reducing their tariffs over time. The EU sees great internal growth as their own barriers are dumped.

By the way, I will stand corrected on the price of the Focus. According to Intellichoice, you can get a 2005 Focus for a target price $12,478.

And you can get a complete Dell computer system with it, too.

http://www.intellichoice.com/reports/vehicleReport/vehicle_nmb/1505

If we could only get a car without a water-cooled engine (as with the original VW Bug), then your comparison could hold true.

However, our cheapest cars have more technology, fuel mileage, and conveniences than what could only be dreamed of in the mid-60's.

Enjoy your free CD player, too.

We now buy luxury beyond compare for pennies.
18 posted on 09/27/2004 6:38:08 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
Long-live the LaRouchies and the Clintonistas then, too.
19 posted on 09/27/2004 6:40:10 PM PDT by ScottM1968
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To: mhx; Admin Moderator

Mea culpa! I was looking for some historical quotes from our president and stumbled on to a crypto LaRouche publication. Please delete.


20 posted on 09/27/2004 6:44:57 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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