Posted on 09/26/2004 1:37:42 PM PDT by Dont Mention the War
Just want to remind all that we're close to the deadline for registration.
That does NOT make these new registrants likely voters. This is an entirely different population than a citizen who seeks out registration through conventional channels, such as at his local courthouse.
I really don't think it will make much difference. What DOES worry me, is the flood of requests for absentee ballots. Way too much potential for fraud.
man-- I couldn't handle Kerry winning the presidency! I JUST CAN'T!!! I thought I was going to die when Clinton won the first time! Half of the American people scare the living daylights out of me. sorry...stressed
"The next Civil War in this country will be started by the people perpetuating this voter fraud, and those fanning the flames (like John Kerry) by talking about non-existent "disenfranchisement". If votes are worthless, and elections can not be seen as meaningful, then all bets are off as to how long we maintain cohesion as a Nation."
You are making an outstanding point. If we can no longer control the fairness of our elections and the integrity of our justice system to enforce that fairness, then as you say we can't maintain our system of government. This is extremely worrisome.
I'm become more and more worried about this election. I'm afraid 2000 was just a shot across the bow for what we might see this year. As you say, this disenfranchisement talk is just the means to fan the flames of anger, and it's also the way they keep opponents from speaking out against their fraudulent tactics. This is all very reminiscent of Marxist/Leninist tactics. There is no depth to which the leftists and the left-wing media would not sink to gain control of this country, there can no longer be any remaining doubt about that. If they do, they will promptly shut down talk radio and every communication that they can control in order to shut off opposition.
In Ohio.
I think the court cases in Ohio should start now.
OK, I've seen two schools of thought going on here and they're not the same thing. So let's get clear.
On the one hand, the kids at the mall signing people up, and those signing up, are not the concern here. Those people are likely to forget what day the election is.
What we're really concerned about are those registrations that are submitted fraudulently, as in the dead people and nursing home residents. These are registrations that will be used by very young, healthy, and ambulatory Dem activists who will go from one precinct to the next, voting for Kerry in each... fraudulently.
Does that clear up this issue?
The very thought of a kerry presidency scares the hell out of me too. I have hope that there are enough people that feel the same as we do. Both republican and democrat.
And has been for years.
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Michelle Malkin
Voter fraud that's legal
More Third World shenanigans from the land of the free and the home of the electorally challenged: The Justice Department dispatched more than 400 federal observers and lawyers to guard against illegal voting fraud at polling places in 14 states yesterday. By mid-morning, complaints of rigged machines, racial intimidation and partisan interference had already been lodged from all parts of the country. Overlooked on Election Day, however, were the myriad examples of voter fraud -- and the undermining of American citizenship -- that government officials allow to go totally unchecked and unpunished.
In Florida, a Democrat named Rafael Velasquez was able to run for state office despite admitting that he voted twice in the 1990s before obtaining U.S. citizenship. Under Florida election laws, voting as a noncitizen can be prosecuted as a felony. Velasquez said he voted in the 1996 presidential election and the 1998 Florida gubernatorial race because of a "misunderstanding." The candidate claimed that he informed election officials that he was a resident alien, but that they let him vote anyway.
Miami-Dade County elections records, however, contradicted Velasquez's characterization of his illegal votes as clerical errors. According to The Miami Herald, the documents showed that he falsely claimed to be a citizen (he was not naturalized until May 2001). Yet, no charges were filed against him, and his illegal votes did not disqualify him from running for public office.
Belying the din of "disenfranchisement," the state of Florida seems all too willing to hand over voting privileges to those who don't deserve them. Another prominent noncitizen allowed to vote in the Sunshine State was Sami Al-Arian, a controversial University of South Florida Islamic professor with long-alleged ties to terrorism, who cast his ballot in a Tampa referendum in 1994 -- while his citizenship application was pending. He, too, claimed the illegal vote was the result of a "misunderstanding." State officials have declined to prosecute.
Elsewhere, noncitizen voting is not merely overlooked. It is encouraged. Here in my home county of Montgomery County, Md., five municipalities allow noncitizens (with no distinction between legal and illegal aliens) to cast ballots in local elections: Takoma Park, Somerset, Chevy Chase, Martin's Additions and Barnesville. Last month, Washington, D.C., Mayor Anthony Williams endorsed a similar proposal championed by Hispanic activists. "I'm committed to expanding the franchise," Williams said in explaining why citizenship should be thrown out the window as the standard for voting eligibility.
In 1993, the federal Motor Voter law "expanded the franchise" for political expediency, and exacerbated the perilous trend of lowering the safeguards for voting that continues to undermine the value of U.S. citizenship today. As former INS Commissioner Alan C. Nelson noted when Takoma Park passed its noncitizen voting referendum a decade ago:
"In many countries of the world, an alien is always an alien. In our country, we are proud that our laws and social policies encourage aliens of all races and cultures to become citizens. In recent years, however, an increasing number of aliens have not pursued citizenship . . . This trend is disturbing, because it could seriously affect the assimilation process immigrants have pursued in this nation for 200 years . . . This important value of becoming a citizen is lost if an alien can vote without becoming a citizen. Any legal resident alien can become a U.S. citizen in five years. That is not an unreasonable time to wait to be able to participate in our democracy. The five-year wait emphasizes the value of citizenship as a requirement to vote and to becoming a full member of the community. If local voting by noncitizens is allowed, state and federal voting could be next. Either there is a policy basis for noncitizens to vote, or there is not. If we open the door, it cannot be closed halfway."
Where are those federal monitors when we need them?
Uncalled for. Take a deep breath, crack open a brew, and think about it.
FMCDH(BITS)
No, it's not uncalled for. The first thing she replied to me with was "Do you have any verification for that?", as if I was making it up.
That's exactly what I'd expect to see if I had posted that at DU.
The good news is that Republicans will make sure they vote this year. With all the fraud going on, we may know who the president will be, sometime next year!
In FL many of those are legally incompetent and are part of the court system and have legal guardians. Legally they are not able to vote but there is NO cross check with registrations.
The problem in FL is that there are 67 seperate rolls and there is no cross checking. FL needs a statewide system.
I also believe you should have to re-register every four years. This would self purge the lists with those who do not register after moving or death.
Nah...they'd call you a fargin icehole.
I might have asked you the same question, but I already knew the back-up. Maybe she didn't, and wanted a simple source.
Very touchy around here every election, ain't it?
FReegards,
FMCDH(BITS)
It is uncalled for. I don't know you, you could be somebody posting false information to FR to try to get posters to buy it and follow false leads. I see posters requesting backup of facts all the time, and they don't get a hysterical response.
I would not post something I wasn't prepared to back up with background material, and clearly you didn't either. You were able to post backup sources, so where's your beef? The backup makes your information more valuable and useful. Assuming that's your goal, then my request did you a favor.
Cool off. The fact that someone asks you politely for the source of your facts should not be taken as a personal affront to you or a sign that the person is a DU troll. We're on the same side here (at least politically), so no need to have this huge chip on your shoulder.
Huge, eh?
In 1996, just before the election, "authorities" discovered sixteen thousand fraudulent voter registration forms "collected by three groups associated with the Democratic Party" in Los Angeles County alone. The papers coyly remarked that "other counties have reported similar findings."
Then the story vanished. Not a single follow up. Silence. Spiked. I used to write them periodically, asking if there were any investigations, indictments, trials, convictions--that sort of thing. No response. Remember 1984? It didn't happen, see, because only Boris remembers it.
Accepting the precise that voter registration is "swelling" in Florida and Ohio, with Democrat registration far outstripping Republican registration, why isn't this swelling being replicated in the polling in both states which is based on registered voters or likely voters or both. Or, is this a "lagging" indicator which will only manifest itself on November 2nd?
Yup. And what are they going to get this November for their politeness? To paraphrase actor James Woods, a bigger bowl of pee. I can see no evidence that Republicans (those in a position to do anything about fraud, anyway) learned from 2000, when, IMO, the election was almost stolen by the Democrats. If they had, there would be people in prison and Dems would think twice before committing fraud. What we have instead, it appears, is increased voter fraud.
I certainly wish that someone would actually follow some of these "buses" that bring people to the polls. A few pictures of the bus going from poll to poll to poll might make a point to those Democrats who are stupid enough to contend that there is no voter fraud!
In CA the election board was signing up a lot of new voters. Then it was dicovered that Sec. State Shelley was diverting federal money to use in democratic functions.
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