(>)Perhaps the Marines want the bad guys to be able to talk?
(>)They're alive because our military can squeeze information out of them
Posted on 09/25/2004 5:48:17 AM PDT by Max Combined
WASHINGTON - Three members of an elite Navy SEAL team conducting operations in Iraq have been charged with several crimes in connection with detainee abuses that included at least two deaths, Navy officials announced Friday, bringing the total number of SEAL team members from the same unit charged with such crimes to seven.
I hope those SEALS are found innocent of all charges.
What's this? A detainee fought his captors and was injured by them? Hummmm - that's odd..............
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of PanAm Flight 103!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM slaughter of 18 US Army Rangers on October 3rd 1993!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the military barracks in Saudi Arabia!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the American Embassies in Africa!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM bombing of the USS COLE!
REMEMBER the MUSLIM attack on the Twin Towers on 9/11/2001!
REMEMBER all the AMERICAN lives that were lost in those vicious MUSLIM attacks!
You gotta see this.
First, ALL the lawyers should be imprisoned....then shot.
Delta Force, Navy SEALs involved in abuse?
Iraqi died while being interrogated at prison
By Andrea Mitchell
Correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 6:15 p.m. ET May 6, 2004
As the investigation expands, officials tell NBC News that special operations forces, including both Delta Force and Navy SEALs, were possibly also involved in abusing prisoners in Iraq.
In fact, one prisoner, Mon Adel al Jamadi, died while being interrogated in Abu Ghraib by a CIA officer last November, shortly after being captured by Navy SEALs. Al Jamadi was being questioned about a plot to attack U.S. forces with plastic explosives.
An autopsy revealed al Jamadi had broken ribs and had been “badly beaten.” His CIA interrogator has told investigators the prisoner was injured before he was turned over to the CIA — something the Navy denies.
In a second case, the CIA is being investigated for the death of Iraqi Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush near the Syrian border, also last November. The CIA says he died several days after they questioned him.
A third CIA prisoner died last June in Afghanistan — also after a severe beating.
Did the CIA or other intelligence agencies tell the guards to get the prisoners to talk? According to former CIA officer Robert Baer, “I can’t believe that those MPs knew enough about Arab culture to systematically do this.… Somebody prompted them.”
Intelligence officials deny directing the abuse. But the Army’s investigation said military intelligence and “other government agencies” — the Army’s code for the CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency and special operations forces, “actively requested that MP guards set physical and mental conditions for favorable interrogation of witnesses.”
The general who was in charge of the prison says it got out of hand. Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski remembers, “They said, ‘Hey, that worked pretty well.’ They told us to take the clothes away from those six prisoners, and nobody seemed to think that that was wrong, so let’s take clothes away from 12 of them.”
Now the CIA confirms that some of its officers hid prisoners from watchdog groups like the Red Cross — violations also under investigation.
© 2004 MSNBC Interactive
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4917567/
They probably are.
We have a Republican
president . . . Why are
so many of our
soldiers getting f&ck#d keeping
us citizens safe?!
More troops thrown to the wolves...ala MP National Guard Unit...
While the Dacowitz general who was ID'd at the scene of the so called abuse...skates.
And do not forget what the bosses did to Lt. Col. Allen B. West
Wow our soldiers sometimes hit people and even kill them ?! I'm outraged OUTRAGED /sarcasm off.
Whats the good of a detainee if you can't beat the snot out of them whenever they don't do what you tell em to do ?
Pin a medal on em and move on.
They were, but the scumbag liberal Rats want out people in uniform to fight the war unarmed in every way. The liberal Rats are really communists and they are encouraged by the terrorists.
I thought that the SEALS primary mission was to KILL the enemy. So now they'll be prosecuted for doing their job?
The unwritten rule with terrorists should be "no prisoners".
RINO
I'm not privvy to the precise details, and I wouldn't share them anyway, but they're probably screwed. I'm not condoning prisoner abuse, and I'm not saying they abused prisoners, but I am saying that Iraq has become the Mecca of political correctness, ass covering, and micromanaging, media fearing officers.
Our unit has already forced some people out or ruined their careers over having a few beers. Not DUIs, not public drunkedness. Just for consuming a few beers. Several people in that company's chain of command, and a guy from my team, were all slammed to varying degrees.
We found out pretty fast that doing nothing was a lot safer than doing something wrong. Whether or not the SEALs did something wrong, they screwed up publicly, and way too close to the flagpole (which is now any populated part of Iraq). I've personally taken and handled prisoners, and I fully appreciate that not everyone wants to just hop in the humvee for a ride to an undisclosed location, especially the guys the SEALs are rolling up. Some of them may have time sensitive information (like, say, Musab al-Zarqawi's location for the next 12 hours) that you KNOW soft pitch interrogation won't produce. It's beyond frustrating.
Most officers don't appreciate what it feels like to stack on a door in the middle of a hostile neighborhood at 2AM, and then charging into strange houses looking for desperate killers that will probably just be let go in 72 hours. They do appreciate media attention, and the dire career effects it can bring. Regardless of how wrong or not wrong their actions were, I think that the appearance of wrongdoing is bad enough to see many of them fried.
Eugene Armstrong and Jack Hensley were recently abused while detained too...Take no prisoners and this will not be a problem.
The problem there is that prisoners are often our only leads to the next level of terrorists. That's why we capture them. Outright killing them makes it very hard to find the rest of them. Firepower is the not problem, intelligence is. We can kill people all day long, but we need leads on where to go next. Otherwise, they operate in secret, and the networks remain out of reach.
You are correct. It's just a bad situation. Who's blowing the whistle on all these guys?
If someone dies in custody, the whistle pretty much blows itself. If you do a raid on Mr. Xs house, take Mr. X alive, bring him back to base, but then fail to produce him for the MPs to send up to higher, that's bound to attract a little attention. As I recall, the SEALs are authorized to hold people for longer than most units, in recognition of the fact that they have intel support and often operate further out than conventional forces. In most units you're required to turn people over as soon as you get back to base.
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