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Schwarzenegger signs hate crimes law [protecting gays, transgendered]
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| 9/24/04
Posted on 09/24/2004 6:29:46 PM PDT by Cracker72
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To: calcowgirl
Seems to be lots of folk signing up at FR this month showing blind loyalty for misdirected politicians and their actions. Strange phenomena ;-)Oh, good...I'm not the only one who noticed. I think you can change that to the "last year." Hoardes of moderates, absconding with the "conservative" label.
To: Bush2000
I don't think it is relevant if the crime was committed due to hatred. Black people commit crimes against whites because they "hate whitey"....but it is NEVER prosecuted as such.
Murder is against the law. If I am killed, the criminal will get 25 to life....if I am gay...the guy will do 50? Why is his sexual preference involverd in determining the punishment. That is not equal protection, that is special protection. You are the one on shaky ground. I hope someone contests this law....but I doubt it will happen in this liberal utopia.
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:02:51 PM PDT
by
Feiny
(Here's to swimmin with bow legged women!)
To: feinswinesuksass
... a very small percentage of gays are worried about getting beaten up...
What are you -- their statistician? Do you regularly poll gays about getting beaten up? LMFAO!
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:02:53 PM PDT
by
Bush2000
To: John Lenin
The problem is that even with harsher penalties it is not going to stop an attack. It's just more feel good legislation that will acomplish nothing.
Wrong. Giving people harsher penalties sends these sicko scumbags away for a longer period of time. And getting these creeps out of society is good for all of us.
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:03:48 PM PDT
by
Bush2000
To: Bush2000
You have just proven yourself to be an idiot.
The second amendment is not about hunting.
An assault weapon can be my fist...I could assault you with a spoon. The term "assault weapon" was made up by liberals who hate the way certain semi-automatic rifles looked. It had nothing to do with crime, it was a cosmetic hatred. The assault weapons bill is a hate law against "ugly guns".
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:06:23 PM PDT
by
Feiny
(Here's to swimmin with bow legged women!)
To: Bush2000
This will work about as well as the stiffer drug laws work against drug addicts. It's nonsense.
To: feinswinesuksass
Murder is against the law. If I am killed, the criminal will get 25 to life....if I am gay...the guy will do 50? Why is his sexual preference involverd in determining the punishment.
That is not equal protection, that is special protection. You are the one on shaky ground. I hope someone contests this law....but I doubt it will happen in this liberal utopia.
You're abusing the term. "Equal protection" applies to your rights under the law -- not the penalties. You, as a victim of a crime, don't have a right to set the penalties for the offender. That's society's choice -- and if society deems that some crimes are more harsh than others, it already discriminates on that basis.
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:09:11 PM PDT
by
Bush2000
To: feinswinesuksass
You have just proven yourself to be an idiot.
And you've just revealed yourself as someone oblivious to sarcasm.
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:11:24 PM PDT
by
Bush2000
To: John Lenin
This will work about as well as the stiffer drug laws work against drug addicts. It's nonsense.
Penalties for drug consumption have never been stiff. Who are you kidding? But there's no denying that stiffer drug laws have sent away more people trafficking in drugs...
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:12:40 PM PDT
by
Bush2000
To: Bush2000
No need to take polls....I know many gay men. I used to live in West Hollywood.
You don't think any gay men or lesbians in San Fransico ever beat up someone for being straight? My man & his ex-girlfriend were assaulted by lesbians at a gay pride parade for being "breeders". They were not inciting anyone....the lesbians just didn't like seeing them kiss so they started screaming BREEDERS at them....and came after them with a knife. They intended to cut them for being straight. My man is not a gay hater...his sister is gay, but those women wanted to hurt them for NOT being gay.
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:13:27 PM PDT
by
Feiny
(Here's to swimmin with bow legged women!)
To: All
Night, folks, it's been fun.
And, all of you angry white males: The universe doesn't revolve around you (despite what you think).
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:13:47 PM PDT
by
Bush2000
To: Bush2000
You revealed yourself as someone incapable of sarcasm.
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:14:17 PM PDT
by
Feiny
(Here's to swimmin with bow legged women!)
To: Bush2000
Nice try....I am a female.
73
posted on
09/24/2004 11:14:37 PM PDT
by
Feiny
(Here's to swimmin with bow legged women!)
To: Cracker72
Perhaps these facsists would perfer to print up a list of items with which it is permissable to voice displeasure.
To: Bush2000
"gays and transgendered freaks have traditionally gotten the shit kicked out of them by white heterosexual males"
Having been involved in skating I have known lots of homosexuals. Most crimes against homosexuals are done by other (jealous) homosexuals. I knew a lesbian who was ran over by a jealous "girlfriend". I also knew a homosexual that preyed on young boys and ended up in prison. The few "Sam Shephards" are tragic, but the vast majority of crimes (Versace, etc.) are ignored because they were committed by other homosexuals. And Shephard's actions were buried because they would have disgusted people--the leftist media could not have allowed the details to get out---just like they covered up the boy, JesseD murder by the two homosexuals......whose the victims? I say the white hetersexual males.
To: Bush2000
Goodnight, delusional one.
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:15:49 PM PDT
by
Feiny
(Here's to swimmin with bow legged women!)
To: Dr. Frank fan
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Schwarzenegger signs hate crimes law [protecting gays, transgendered], Dr. Frank fan wrote: |
No, you guys, this is just the right thing to do. For too long now it's been perfectly legal to assault, even murder, homosexuals. This was simply a long-overlooked loophole in the law and Schwarzenegger was perfectly right to close it. FINALLY, it's against the law to assault or murder a homosexual! ;-) |
You are exactly right... I really don't see why so many here don't understand this.
(Also, can someone show me the portion of the bill where it affects my ability to think thoughts?)
To: Cracker72
A crime is a crime is a crime is a crime...it shouldn't matter one damned bit whether the person is black, white, gay, straight....period.
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:18:07 PM PDT
by
Blue Scourge
(Off I go into the Wild Blue Yonder...)
To: Bush2000
The First Amendment supercedes this law. Which should then simply get struck down for that reason? Supreme Coruts generally don't run laws through constitutional filters and leave the rest, they just strike the whole thing down if they deem something is constitutionally wrong.
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:22:21 PM PDT
by
drlevy88
To: Bush2000
The law doesn't grant any additional rights to homosexuals or transgendered freaks.
The "HATE CRIMES" law does three things.
1.) It places homosexualists in a PROTECTED CLASS by making a criminal act against a homosexualist MORE PUNISHABLE because of the homosexualist's STATUS.
2.) As in Canada, the NEXT STEP will be a "HATE SPEECH" law that will effectively outlaw dissent against the HOMOSEXUALIST AGENDA.
3.) It CODIFIES into law and exacts a punishment for a perpetrator's THOUGHTS. While this might seem to be a fine thing for serious crimes, again, as in Canada, it will be only a short time before this law is applied for minor infractions or perceived SLIGHTS against homosexualists. Homosexualists will use it to SHUT UP anyone they disagree with.
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posted on
09/24/2004 11:23:46 PM PDT
by
pyx
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