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To: NCSteve
Can you cite an example? I honestly cannot think of a case where social and political conservatism would be at odds?

I saw his post and have been pondering the same thing. I also can't think of a conflict.
46 posted on 09/24/2004 1:40:25 PM PDT by Jaysun (Taxation WITH representation isn't so hot either.)
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To: Jaysun
I saw his post and have been pondering the same thing. I also can't think of a conflict.

Here's a couple of examples to consider:

1. The meaning of the Phrase "to regulate trade" must be sought in the general use of it, in other words in the objects to which the power was generally understood to be applicable, when the Phrase was inserted in the Constn.

2. The power has been understood and used by all commercial & manufacturing Nations as embracing the object of encouraging manufactures. It is believed that not a single exception can be named.

-James Madison to Joseph C. Cabell 18 Sept. 1828

3d. To "regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the States, and with the Indian tribes." To erect a bank, and to regulate commerce, are very different acts. He who erects a bank creates a subject of commerce in its bills; so does he who makes a bushel of wheat, or digs a dollar out of the mines; yet neither of these persons regulates commerce thereby. To make a thing which may be bought and sold is not to prescribe regulations for buying and selling. Besides, if this was an exercise of the power of regulating commerce, it would be void, as extending as much to the internal commerce of every State, as to its external. For the power given to Congress by the Constitution does not extend to the internal regulation of the commerce of a State (that is to say of the commerce between citizen and citizen), which remains exclusively with its own legislature; but to its external commerce only, that is to say, its commerce with another State, or with foreign nations, or with the Indian tribes.

-Thomas Jefferson, on establishing a national bank.

If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. The precedent must always greatly overbalance in permanent evil any partial or transient benefit, which the use can at any time yield.

-From George Washington's farewell address.

Now consider the multitude of federal programs and agencies (including the DEA) that exist on the authority of the Commerce Clause, as defined by FDR and the New Deal and in direct conflict with these statements, many of which are supported by "social conservatives".

56 posted on 09/24/2004 1:53:50 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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