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I'm not so sure that most libertarians believe that we were founded on Judeo-Christian values, though they themselves could probably answer that better than I. I do know for certain that the Libertarian party doesn't believe in true American sovereignty, as their official platform calls for the elimination of all immigration restrictions, which is basically tantamount to saying that we're not really a country.


25 posted on 09/24/2004 1:05:20 PM PDT by jpl (John Kerry is the 2-7 offsuit in the great Presidential poker game.)
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I'm not so sure that most libertarians believe that we were founded on Judeo-Christian values, though they themselves could probably answer that better than I.

I consider myself a hawkish libertarian at the moment so I guess my opinion is valid. Yes, the US was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics. There is no denying that. What people might argue about is if this means that the government was founded based on principles contained within these religions or with the intention of being a Christian nation. I think it is the former.

I do know for certain that the Libertarian party doesn't believe in true American sovereignty, as their official platform calls for the elimination of all immigration restrictions, which is basically tantamount to saying that we're not really a country.

There is a difference between a libertarian and a Libertarian. I think immigration should be open to all. This is the original intent of the founders of this county. We have open immigration for some nations, Cuba, by why not others? I can name numerous nations that are just as repressive as Cuba but they would be turned around instantly at the borders. Unfortunately, they don't have the votes in Congress to let them all in.

100 posted on 09/24/2004 2:37:39 PM PDT by killjoy (Busy waiting for the first anti-abortion post on this thread...)
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I'm not so sure that most libertarians believe that we were founded on Judeo-Christian values, though they themselves could probably answer that better than I. I do know for certain that the Libertarian party doesn't ..."
# 25 by jpl
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No one with a brain can deny that our country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs, even if they don't believe in God themselves.

There is no such thing as a libertarian who can't think, so all libertarians know that our country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs. :)

By the way, the Libertarian Party is an organization that does not include all libertarians, or even "real" libertarians, any more than all Republicans are conservative or all Democrats are liberals. Political parties do not define the beliefs of their members.

There were libertarians before the "Libertarian" Party stole the label; in fact, our Founders were libertarian.

109 posted on 09/24/2004 2:51:48 PM PDT by exodus
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"... I do know for certain that the Libertarian party doesn't believe in true American sovereignty, as their official platform calls for the elimination of all immigration restrictions, which is basically tantamount to saying that we're not really a country."
# 25 by jpl
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That's not so, jpl.

Borders are nothing more than the limit of our ownership, our land. If I decide, as an individual, to let people come onto my property any time they want, it's my Right to do so. I personally know people who do that very thing, allowing the unrestricted use of their homes to people they barely know.

If we decide, as a nation, to allow people from other countries to come here without specific permission in each separate case, it isn't a "trespass" situation, because we gave permission beforehand.

117 posted on 09/24/2004 3:01:59 PM PDT by exodus
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