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To: exodus
Any one who believes that the government should act "despite ... limitations on their power" is not a conservative.

The grand total of two words ("the other") you replaced with an ellipsis were key - you distorted my words. Of course government should act to support institutions. That is the position of the original conservative, Edmund Burke.

169 posted on 09/24/2004 5:50:59 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy
The grand total of two words ("the other") you replaced with an ellipsis were key - you distorted my words. Of course government should act to support institutions. That is the position of the original conservative, Edmund Burke.

"Supporting institutions" is like (or within) "promoting the general welfare". It is an objective, not a power. They may exercise their powers to that end, within the limitations inherent in the power.

172 posted on 09/24/2004 6:12:20 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: NutCrackerBoy; tacticalogic
exodus # 157 - Any one who believes that the government should act "despite ... limitations on their power" is not a conservative.
NutCrackerBoy # 169 - The grand total of two words ("the other") you replaced with an ellipsis were key - you distorted my words. Of course government should act to support institutions. That is the position of the original conservative, Edmund Burke.
tacticalogic # 172 - "Supporting institutions" is like (or within) "promoting the general welfare". It is an objective, not a power. They may exercise their powers to that end, within the limitations inherent in the power.
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I did not change the meaning of what you said in post # 57. One of those "other" limitations would be the fact that government does not have permission to grant powers to itself.

You said, fully quoting you, and highlighting what I edited,

"There are conflicts but also resonance between the social and political conservative. Ever read de Tocqueville? It has long been held that what makes limited government feasible is a strong morality among the people. Social conservatives believe that the federal or state government can and should act, despite the other limitations on their power, to support institutions that tend to engender a strong moral character, such as church and marriage."
The purpose behind our Constitution is that no power will be taken by the Federal government without permission. The same limitation holds for both State and Local level; they are not to usurp power.

Creating, or even supporting an organization using the justification "nobody told us we couldn't" is a usurpation of power not granted by the People.

228 posted on 09/27/2004 3:14:35 PM PDT by exodus
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