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Hubble's deepest shot is a puzzle
BBC News ^ | 9/23/04 | Staff

Posted on 09/24/2004 8:17:42 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo

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To: Hunble

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As I said before, I fully accept the concept of x, y, z and time (4 dimensions) as a physical reality.
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Please read the post again. I was not talking of time as the 4th dimension. Time is not a physical dimension.

Four physical dimensions are x,y,z,h, where each is at right angles to the other. This isn't flatland fantasy, it's basic euclidian geometry. I gave you an example of the three dimensional effects of a fourth dimensional object. It is a legitimate example. I also gave you examples of how a 4th GEOMETRIC dimensional expansion would manifest in three dimensions. This is experimentally verifiable and is not a flight of fancy, or flat land fiction.

You are making a deliberate effort to not understand.


121 posted on 09/24/2004 12:59:37 PM PDT by frgoff
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To: Bigh4u2
We're living in side Michael Moores's stomach! LET ME OUT!

Euuuuu! I wouldn't want to be around for that "Big Bang!"

122 posted on 09/24/2004 1:00:43 PM PDT by tophat9000 ( “Old Yeller” Democrats is a Yellow Dog that has become Crazy & Rabid)
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To: Cboldt
"Flatland: A romance of many dimensions," by Edwin A. Abbott.

Did Azamov steal this?

123 posted on 09/24/2004 1:00:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Nope. By definition, the speed of light in a vacuum is a constant.

And you have proved this, how?

124 posted on 09/24/2004 1:01:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Junior_G
"The big bang theory is just creationism for atheists."

LOL! I love that. I'll be quoting that one. Of course, it's absolutely true. I have a nice telescope, and I love to sit for hours trying to find different nebulae or star clusters. The difference between me and the astronomy elite, is that when I look at the heavens I see God. When they look at the heavens, they are still looking for theirs.

125 posted on 09/24/2004 1:02:33 PM PDT by CarolAnn
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Okay, so I'm looking at this Hubble picture and I'm thinking, "What's that spot there just East of Florida?"
126 posted on 09/24/2004 1:05:59 PM PDT by ez2muz
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To: frgoff
Outstanding

Then it should be a simple matter for me to locate a Tesseract in my local store. Obviously, this is a physical object and not a mathematical fiction.

Where do I find this Tesseract? Can I get one a the local Wall*Mart, or do I need to visit the nearest University?

Better yet, simple give the a website, and I will order one on-line.

This would be so cool to show my wife!

127 posted on 09/24/2004 1:07:08 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: itsahoot

You can't steal "Flatland". It's a bit too well known. I read it in high school fourty years ago.


128 posted on 09/24/2004 1:09:52 PM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: frgoff
Frgoff;

You are making a deliberate effort to not understand.

No sir, I am making a deliberate effort to call a spade a spade.

Provide an actual physical example, or simply admit that it is only a mathematical concept.

129 posted on 09/24/2004 1:11:39 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: Hunble
Provide an actual physical example, or simply admit that it is only a mathematical concept.

Here it is a=a+b <(•¿•)>

130 posted on 09/24/2004 1:27:53 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: itsahoot
Or better yet a=a+b/b
131 posted on 09/24/2004 1:30:21 PM PDT by itsahoot (Sometimes the truth hurts, sometimes it makes a difference, but not often.)
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To: Hunble
In OUR reality, 2 + 2 = 4 and it can be easily demonstrated by combining 4 physical objects.

But that method fails with: 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000002 +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000002.

Also, there is no physical example of numbers such as Sqrt(2) or Pi. Nor are there any isosceles triangles or right angles.

132 posted on 09/24/2004 1:31:50 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: itsahoot
Did Azamov steal this [Flatland]?

Not that I know of. Here is Azimov, writing a forward to a collection of two of Abbott's works ...

February 1994 : Paperback Top

Title: Flatland : The Classic Speculation On Life In Four Dimensions/Sphereland : A Continuing Speculation On An Expanding Universe/2 Books in 1 Volume (Everyday Handbook)
Author(s): Edwin A. Abbott, Dionys Burger, Foreword by Isaac Asimov
ISBN: 0062732765
Publisher: HarperCollins Publishers

http://books.fantasticfiction.co.uk/c0/c3170.htm?authorid=3907 <-- Link


133 posted on 09/24/2004 1:32:07 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: CarolAnn
The difference between me and the astronomy elite, is that when I look at the heavens I see God. When they look at the heavens, they are still looking for theirs.

Really? Do you actually know any astronomers or are you just talking out of your hat?

134 posted on 09/24/2004 1:34:43 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: itsahoot
Or better yet a=a+b/b

Once again, can locate a physical item at my local Wall*Mart that is in compliance with this equation?

Are you going out of your way to support my questions? So far, you are doing an outstanding job and I appreciate the support.

135 posted on 09/24/2004 1:36:32 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: spodefly

It's been done. If you look farther back, you see the microwave radiation. Note that the "tiny area" is "now" the entire universe.


136 posted on 09/24/2004 1:39:35 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RadioAstronomer
I have a nice telescope, and I love to sit for hours trying to find different nebulae or star clusters. The difference between me and the astronomy elite, is that when I look at the heavens I see God.

Do not be so harsh RA, I feel the same way each and every time I look though my telescope.

Yes, to me also, this is an expression of God!

137 posted on 09/24/2004 1:41:51 PM PDT by Hunble
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To: frgoff

That's actually a two-dimensional projection of a three-dimensional projection of a four-dimensional object.


138 posted on 09/24/2004 1:45:22 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: RadioAstronomer

When I look at the heavens, I wonder who stole the tent I was sleeping under.


139 posted on 09/24/2004 1:47:43 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Cool. One of my favorite quotes. I always repeat this to myself and others around me when I am humbled (like spelling humbled).


140 posted on 09/24/2004 1:49:15 PM PDT by jgophel
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