I'm politicaly conservative and am voting for Bush. But I also value clean air, water and conservation.
Please explain why most of you are against conservation. Don't you like clean air and water? Do you like the outdoors?
New World Order Rising? - Thoughts on the UN World Summit on Sustainable Development
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/743512/posts
If you click on 'Sierra Conservancy' above (keyword), you will find about 10-15 threads that have extensive research and links to information. Also, click on keyword "Property Rights" which will introduce you to the many issues. Beyond the issues discussed there, these conservancies are being pushed by the RFK, Jr. crowd and have been found to be subject to fraud and corruption... all at the expense of taxpayers.
Here is a previous post from one of those threads. There are many good articles on that site (prf.org) that explain the assault on property rights. This isn't about conservation... it is about freedom.
For anyone who doesn't understand why this is an issue, there are some great articles at the Property Rights Foundation of America, Inc. (prfamerica.org)Here's a snip from one:
Nationalization of Land — A Wake-Up Call
An article in the March 2002 issue of PERC Reports by Matt Ridley, entitled “Controlling the British Countryside,” should serve as a wake-up call for those in the U.S. of A. who might be concerned about the erosion of freedom and private property rights, and the gross nationalization of lands that is pervasive in this great country. It would appear that the citizenry is in a deep sleep or spend too much time at the cabaret.
Mr. Ridley, incidentally, is a well-known British author who is obviously concerned about further liberal invasions in an already socialistic society. Many would say that such intrusive behavior is foreign to America, but they had better reconsider when they hear the sequence of events that produced the current degree of land nationalization in England. The reader will undoubtedly repeatedly say “my gosh, that sounds familiar.”
According to Ridley, the process is not, of course, called nationalization, but rather it usually goes under the name of environmental policy. The effect is to remove, one by one, the property rights of landowners. It proceeds with virtually no interruption. Unfortunately, only a few people, like the author, think it is a bad thing. Obviously, they do not get it, anymore than the bulk of U.S. citizens.
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WAKE UP Everyone. Speak out now!
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117 posted on 07/30/2004 12:48:04 PM PDT by calcowgirl
BTW... Welcome to Free Republic!
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If you like it, buy it. Get together with other people and buy a lot of it.
Don't go crying to Big Stupid Government to steal other people's money to buy it for you.
Here is a perfect example of the the power of a conservancy (or sanctuary). The sanctuary is a law unto themselves, they do not get voted into their positions, they create law by merely entering their rules into the federal register, and they have the FBI and other federal agents to call to arrest people who violate "their" rules.
For your edification the following letter shows: the act by the harbormaster in Monterey to remove 1 CUP OF SAND from the bay floor violates sanctuary rules.
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April 24, 2003
Bill Douros, Superintendent
Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary
299 Foam Street
Monterey, CA 93940
RE: Permit Request to Remove up to Four (4) Cups of Sand Offshore of Del
Monte and San Carlos Beaches
As you may be aware, the City of Monterey is beginning the initial stages of applying for all applicable permits to dredge several areas of Monterey marina and Monterey harbor. The scope of this project will be less than 10,000 cubic yards of sand, and it will be proposed to deposit this sand if it is suitable onto neighboring beaches above the mean high tide line. As part of this project, we have been advised by EPA that we should obtain samples of sand from the sub-tidal and inner-tidal areas immediately adjacent to our dredge material disposal areas to be assured of the compatibility of this material.
This small project will be conducted within the boundaries of the MBNMS and will be entitled the “Sand Compatibility Project”. The project will be undertaken by the City of Monterey Harbormaster’s Office, c/o City Hall, Monterey CA 93940 (646-3950). The duration of the sampling will be approximately five minutes per site. There are four sites proposed, and all aspects of the sampling will be performed and paid for by the City of Monterey.
The project will involve hiring a diver/contractor to obtain approximately one cup of sandy material in the inner-tidal area approximately 50 yards east of Wharf II off of Del Monte Beach. Likewise, a similar sample will be taken at approximately minus 3 feet (MLLW) farther offshore in the same location. A similar set of samples will be taken from San Carlos Beach at similar water depths. These samples are proposed to be taken on the same day, as yet undetermined, but sometime during the week following the issuance of the Sanctuary permit for this sampling. A Sanctuary permit is apparently required because the sampling will constitute a “disturbance of the sea bed” which is a violation of Sanctuary law, although the disturbance will be undetectable probably even minutes after the sampling occurs. An aerial photograph is attached which shows the approximate locations of the test samples.
Once we have obtained the 4 cups of sand, Harbor personnel will create a chain of custody and transport the material to a certified lab for grain size analysis. The results of this analysis will be forwarded to all interested parties in the dredge permit application process. No support services from the Sanctuary or Sanctuary staff are requested; however, if Sanctuary personnel wish to witness the sampling we will certainly make the exact time and location available once it is determined.
Thanks you for your consideration of this permit request.
There is a HUGE difference between "conservation" and radical socialist eco-Nazi, private property rights abolishing extremist!
I would pity the people of Kali. if they had not elected their masters themselves.
Clean water and clean air is the sheep clothing:
EXTREMELY detailed rules and regulations about what you can do on YOUR private property is the wolf in this bill and others like it.
One group is trying to limit you to using only 35% of your entire property for ANYTHING!!!. No pasture, No crop, No anything. BUT- you ARE expected to keep paying your full tax bill every year. AND- you are expected to keep it fire safe, but you are also required to keep it "in a natural state of vegetation". I personally don't think there is ANYONE alive who knows "what the natural state of vegetation" of my 5 acres is, was, or should be. But I am expected to produce this. For the east coasters, you wouldn't believe the ACRES and acres of dead pine trees from the bark beetle. A fire looking for a dry lightening strike. This is an example of "natural vegetation".
It is despicable.