Posted on 09/21/2004 10:23:43 AM PDT by notkerry
my my my what have we here.
Your link doesn't work.
well look at what I found from Feb 2004:
washingtonpost.com
From Some Democrats, Caution on Bush Allegations
By John F. Harris
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 15, 2004; Page A11
>>>snip<<<
Joe Lockhart, a former Clinton press secretary, said the key to avoiding backlash is framing the issue in the right way. "I think Democrats should be very careful about this," he said. "This is a big problem for Bush not because of what happened 30 years ago, but because of the questions it raises about his credibility today."
Bush's greatest political strength, Lockhart said, has been a public perception that "when he said something, you could take it to the bank." By this reckoning, doubts about whether Bush has been forthcoming about his personal history combined with inquiries of more recent vintage about whether he exaggerated the peril posed by alleged weapons of mass destruction in Iraq raise questions about his truthfulness. Asked whether Bush is "honest and trustworthy," 52 percent said yes, down by 7 percentage points since October, the Washington Post-ABC News poll found.
Impugning Bush's patriotism with loaded terms such as "AWOL" may muddy the real issue, Lockhart said. "I didn't agree with the chairman of my party on that," he said.
A Kerry aide said campaign advisers did not agree either, and called the DNC after McAuliffe's appearance on ABC's "This Week." But several Democratic sources said those calls were not about the substance of the charge, but about tactical factors. These officials said Kerry's team thought it better to have a veteran make any allegations about Bush's service, and they preferred to keep in reserve the contrast between Kerry's Vietnam combat duty and Bush's alleged absenteeism until Kerry had the Democratic nomination assured.
I think they mean this document:
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The article and this thread are somewhat misleading. At the article's end, NewsMax says the info was already available from Administration-released documents:
"In a February 2004 document dump, the White House released a batch of President Bush's National Guard records, which included material cited in the Kerry press release."
Let's be careful in our choice of evidence.
I think they mean this one:
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My bad... I was thinking about the forged memo that was supposedly written in May... Got confused.
Wasn't March or April about the time the Hildebeast talked about an October surprise? If so, sounds like premeditated planning.
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Yes.
www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/30/123728.shtml - 22k
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:36 p.m. EST Hillary Predicts October Surprise
New York Sen. Hillary Clinton is predicting that this year's presidential election will be very tight and the victor will win because of "something unforeseen."
"It will be very close," the former first lady tells the New York Post's Cindy Adams.
On how the contest will ultimately be decided, Clinton said, "It will be outside forces - something unforeseen that suddenly happens - that tilts the election one way or the other."
In 1992, Clinton's husband won the White House after Reagan Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger was indicted on Iran-Contra charges four days before the vote. Though the indictment was later overturned, the charges were enough to reverse President Bush 41's last-minute surge in the polls to within one point of Clinton.
In 2000 - again four days before the vote - a Democrat operative in Maine uncovered court records from Bush 43's then-24-year-old DUI stop. Bush's 5-point lead in Florida dwindled to a mere 537 votes, with the DUI news making Gore the popular vote winner nationwide.
OK that proves the Kerry Campaign either had the fake documents in or beofre April or had the content they were going to use in preparing forgeries.
Tuesday, Sept. 21, 2004 12:17 a.m. EDT
Kerry Campaign Touted Forged Doc Info in April
The Kerry campaign made an explicit reference to information in at least one of four forged military documents broadcast 14 days ago by CBS's "60 Minutes" - in a detailed campaign press release attacking President Bush's National Guard service dated months before the Sept. 8 "60 Minutes" broadcast.
Appearing in Kerry campaign literature on April 27, 2004, under the headline "Key Unanswered Questions on Bush's Record in National Guard" was the reference to "verbal orders" to recommend Bush's suspension from flying because he missed a physical - issued by Bush's commander, Lt. Col. Jerry Killian on Aug. 1, 1972. One of the forged Killian memos broadcast by CBS is also dated Aug. 1, 1972, and chronicles Killian's "verbal orders" to suspend Bush:
"I conveyed my verbal orders to commander, 147th [Fighter Interceptor Group] with request for orders for suspension and covening a flight review board IAW AFM 35-13." [END OF FORGED KILLIAN MEMO EXCERPT]
The April 27 Kerry campaign press release cites Killian's "verbal orders" for suspension as a "Fact":
"FACT: The order suspending Bush from flight duty stated: 'Verbal orders of the Comdr on 1 Aug 72 suspending 1STLT George W. Bush from flying status are confirmed Reason for Suspension: Failure to accomplish annual medical examination. Off will comply with para 2-10, AFM 35-13. Authority: Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13. (Aeronautical Orders, Number 87, 29 September 1972)'" [END OF KERRY RELEASE EXCERPT]
In the next paragraph, the Kerry campaign cited a provision in the Air Force Manual that served as a guideline for Killian's decision to suspend Bush:
"AFM 35-13: ... After reviewing the findings of the investigation, the local commander may convene a Flying Evaluation Board or forward through command channels a detailed report of the circumstances which resulted in the officer's failure to accomplish a medical examination." [END OF KERRY RELEASE EXCERPT]
The forged Aug. 1, 1972, memo alludes to the same Air Force Manual provision, with Killian saying he's considering "covening a flight review board IAW AFM 35-13" to handle Bush's case.
Though the information contained in the April campaign release mirrors that in forged memos broadcast by CBS in September, the similarities may be a coincidence.
In a February 2004 document dump, the White House released a batch of President Bush's National Guard records, which included material cited in the Kerry press release.
In a February 12 story headlined "Bush's Loss of Flying Status Should Have Spurred Probe," the Boston Globe covered some of the same material. The Kerry release, however, cited not the Globe report as its source but "Aeronautical Orders" apparently included in the White House document dump.
The April 27 press release does show, however, that the topic of Bush's flight suspension by Killian was very much on the Kerry campaign's radar screen at least four months before CBS broadcast forged military records to further document the story.
Yes, but at that time, they were only "verbal" orders. Someone obviously got the idea of putting them in writing.
Yep! That's the one. Oh, the demoncRATS had this planned straight from the beginning. Hey, Hildebeast, how does it feel to have your strategy planning come back and bite you on your a**.
Thanks, added to my word doc!
I could swear I heard Kerry a while back allude to Bush's National Guard Service as though he knew there was some big bombshell coming. Has anyone ever compiled all of Kerry's statements on the subject of Bush's guard duty?
Dot Dot Dot
That's gonna leave a mark.
But the information the White House released presumably did NOT include the Aug. 1872 Killian memo that is now proven to be a fake. If Kerry;s lkieterature cited that memo Killian 1972 memo in April, then it was not based on authentic White House released docments. Rather it was directly tied to the fogery.
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