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Posted on 09/20/2004 10:06:03 PM PDT by Destro
17 September, 2004
RUSSIA
Slaughter of Beslan children done as murderers shouted “God is Great”, says theologian
According to deacon Kuraev, Islam must not let itself be used by terrorists.
Moscow (AsiaNews) – Beslan was a “religious” crime, a “ritual murder” carried out by people shouting Allah Akbar (God is great), this according to Orthodox theologian Andrei Kuraev, professor at the Moscow Orthodox Theological Academy.
In “How to perceive Islam after Beslan?”, an article published on September 15 in the Moscow daily Izvestia, deacon Kuraev writes: “What happened in Beslan is not just a crime. It was a religious crime. It was ritual murder, the murder of children with prayers in the background. The terrorists killed in the name of their faith. They killed people shouting Allah Akbar and sacrificed innocent children on the altar of their religious ideas.”
Kuraev goes further: “They were not just gangsters who killed. They were people of one faith who killed Christians in the name of their creed.” One episode, he believes, makes this point clear. Sacha, a 13-year-old boy, was among the children taken hostage in the school. He wore a cross around his neck. When one of the terrorist saw it, the man turned his gun towards the boy and shouted: “Pray!” Sacha reacted by shouting “Christ is risen!” and escaped through a window.
In his message of condolences to President Putin, Patriarch Aleksij II said that “terrorism showed its satanic face” in Beslan. For Kuraev terrorism is “satanic”, not Islam as a whole. For this reason, he considers the Beslan terrorists satanic. “When I speak of Satanism in relation to the terrorists,” the theologian writes, “I am not defining Islam as a satanic religion. The Beslan terrorists killed many Muslims as well because they saw them as evil Muslims”.
Deacon Kuraev is certain that the fate of the world in the 21st century is in the hands of Muslim theologians. Someone like Mullah Omar (an Afghan spiritual leader linked to Osama bin Laden) supported the 9/11 attacks in New York. By contrast, other Muslim religious leaders strongly disapproved of them. Similarly, he adds, “whilst Saudi Wahabi ulema (legal scholars) have recommended sending women as shahida (martyrs) to Russia, Russian Muslim leaders have repeatedly stated that terrorism in the name of Islam violates Islam’s own principles.”
Kuraev suggests the Russian government create the appropriate conditions for the national media to serve as a forum for those who can offer a peaceful interpretation of Islam and curtail the sermonising by firebrand Muslim radicals.
“Even if the Islamic world refuses to admit it, it is responsible for Muslim terrorism,” Kuraev claims. “Its major fault lies in the fact that it allows itself to be used.” However, the Russian theologian believes the West, too, has to bear some of the responsibility. Deacon Kuraev is in fact convinced that there is anti-Muslim and anti-Christian terrorist plan concocted in the West that seeks to set up a “new global order”. For this reason, he berates those who are “are trying to confuse us and pit us one against the other.” For him, Russia has already become the bulwark “that protects Europe against an aggressive Islamic world”.
In the nineties, Russia opted for a hedonistic culture in lieu of the Christian faith. For deacon Kuraev, the war on terrorism can drive her back into the fold of religion. (AF)
In fact it is time for a new NATO, only this one is about muslim cults.
What an inspiring story, in the midst of great tragedy.
Hristos voskrese! Voistinu voskrese!
Certainly the fate of the Muslims is in their hands.
Kuraev suggests the Russian government create the appropriate conditions for the national media to serve as a forum for those who can offer a peaceful interpretation of Islam and curtail the sermonising by firebrand Muslim radicals.
Good idea! Harass and hunt the firebrands and drive them to the gates of hell.
Certainly the fate of the Muslims is in their hands.
Kuraev suggests the Russian government create the appropriate conditions for the national media to serve as a forum for those who can offer a peaceful interpretation of Islam and curtail the sermonising by firebrand Muslim radicals.
Good idea! Harass and hunt the firebrands and drive them to the gates of hell.
Maybe this will help, having been in your shoes.
There is a thread on this somewhere on FR with the news that they used a pig squealing dubbed in on the video.
I knew there was no way the man was still alive as far along as freepers were thinking. Because years ago, after watching the Russian soldier video, I asked our pathologist about this, with specifics. He said that once the artery is cut there is about 20 seconds remaining of consciousness. He said the brain loses pressure very rapidly under those conditions. The pain is intense at the beginning, not helping here am I?, but the time is short. Also remember that once they cut the larynx, and I did not watch the most recent one so I don't know when this occurred, but once it does, no one has the ability to scream anymore.
Also without serious drugs there would be seizures and some acitivity from the body of the person. This came back to me when I watched the one of the Romanian, who did appear to be seizing. (After that one, I decided a few was enough.)
May God bless all of their souls. May their families find peace.
Rev 22:12 "Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. 14 "Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
"So when this nutcase in Russia says "the West" is fostering Islamic terrorism so that Christians and Muslims will wage war with one another, I have to place that notion deep into the paranoia bin and close the lid."
As far as it goes, I'll agree with you on that point. While there are elements in the West (mentioned in my earlier post) who are probably benefiting in some way from terrorism (as there are elements in Russia itself, by the way), it's crazy to say that the West per se is benefiting from it. That's certainly not the case.
If Islam does not SOON rise up and address this problem internally, I shudder to think what the world's necessary external solution will be...
Ziggy once said "Now that the USSR has fallen, the only remaining enemy of the west is the Orthodox church."
Which I always thought was so odd since it was the communists who saw the church as their largest enemy.
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That the secular humanists in the West have struck a devil's bargain with Islam against their common enemy of true Christian faith is hardly a paranoid delusion. Look at how the left both in Europe and the U.S. begs for us to 'understand' the 'root causes' of terrorism, discounts the obvious truth that all of Islam which takes the Koran at face value is the enemy, warns against sterotyping Muslims, tries to reimage Islamic terrorists as anti-Americans in their own image, and so forth.
In one of my earliest posts when I said there were some paranoid Russians and pinged another freeper, I was referring to a group who believe that Putin and Russians were behind not only the Nord-Ost attack but the massacre at Beslan as well.
An apparent outgrowth of those who believe that the FSB is setting up terrorist attacks so Putin can take more power.
Excellent point. I wonder sometimes if the Orthodox (in Russia and elsewhere) are aware of the profound division within the West, though - between those of us who sympathize (real conservatives) and the fifth column who have allied themselves with he enemy. In light of Bush's support of Muslims over Christians in Sudan, Egypt, the Balkans, and even possibly Iraq, I seriously question all of the Christian jargon coming from Bush et al. Bush is great at talking the talk but quite miserable at walking the walk. Of course, that's the big problem with all of us.
I think I missed pinging you to this one.
Islam = Terrorism. There can be no serparation. It has always been so 1500 years hence .
I don't think they're Muslims. I think they're devil worshippers.
No god they are praising is worth the hair on a nat's ass.
That of course would be "gnat."
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