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To: Elkiejg
The fact is we are fighting a very effective war - Our soldiers, our Marines and our shooters are killing the enemy daily and nightly.

This is a tough war. We knew that going in. This is a different kind of war. We are not at war with the people of Iraq. We are at war with the terrorists within them.

Does that make it hard. Unbelievably so, at many times. The answer is not to bomb and bomb. That is foolishness.

The answer to to be systematic, deliberate and unconventional at the same time.

We are doing that. In both Iraq and Afghanistan.

We are winning this war. Freedom and self-worth will soon be our new allies emerging within the Middle East that help our soldiers on the ground.

14 posted on 09/20/2004 9:08:46 PM PDT by Khaosai
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To: Khaosai
The fact is we are fighting a very effective war - Our soldiers, our Marines and our shooters are killing the enemy daily and nightly.

Correct. The terrorists in Iraq are reduced to kidnapping and killing innocent civilians. If they're willing to do that with US troops right there then why does anyone believe that they weren't doing it before when US troops weren't there?

30 posted on 09/20/2004 9:39:41 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Khaosai
"The answer to to be systematic, deliberate and unconventional at the same time."

Then I hope we are talking to the Israeli's... those guys have been living amongst the enemy 24/7 and doing it impressively well.

Those two Hamas leaders are now just stains. That happens all the time. Heck, we had one of the Israeli undercover guys acting as one of the bad guys in our "detainment" system for months.... he was living among the detainees in the prison and lived!

They are amazingly good.
35 posted on 09/20/2004 9:50:21 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: Khaosai
The answer to to be systematic, deliberate and unconventional at the same time.

The ultimate success or failure of this quasi-state of warfare we're engaged in won't be known until the war is over. I think that IF al Qaeda succeeds in pulling off some kind of horrible WMD attack on American soil, then we should at least be willing to admit that our quasi-warfare strategy has failed and cannot protect America.

45 posted on 09/20/2004 10:28:29 PM PDT by LibWhacker (It is the black heart of Islam, not its black face, to which millions object)
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To: Khaosai

We are winning this war. Freedom and self-worth will soon be our new allies emerging within the Middle East that help our soldiers on the ground.


The Islamic terrorist scumbags are doing everything they can to keep that from happening, including murdering the people they claim to support. We ARE winning, but you wouldn't know it if you only listened to the maindream media. It's getting tougher now, but the body count is rising on their side many many times faster than ours. We have a military that is second to none, and they are DETERMINED. We will not fail!


46 posted on 09/20/2004 10:29:11 PM PDT by Just Lori (CBS: Turn out the lights. The party's over.)
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To: Khaosai
You argue persuasively although somehat bombastically and patronizingly.

The answer to to be systematic, deliberate and unconventional at the same time.

Can you refer us to any good reports on this which makes the systematic, deliberate and, especially, unconventional tangible.

In other words, put the real life examples that illustrate your point out there specifically.

52 posted on 09/20/2004 10:44:39 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Khaosai

"Freedom and self-worth will soon be our new allies emerging within the Middle East that help our soldiers on the ground."

That presumes societies capable of recognising the value, of "freedom and self-worth" and being willing to endure paying the price to obtain same.

My barometer regarding islam and the arab "cultures" winds up pointing to a big question mark, about this situation.

Clearly Japanese and Germans had societal underpinnings (cultural, economic, religious, etc.) which were the basis for acceptance of democratic, peaceful self-rule.

Islam spawns so much violence and terror, against their own and others, that I'm not overly optimistic.

Are we, the US, willing to spend tens of thousands of lives and billions of wealth? Will we become weary after five or ten years of this process?

We did in Vietnam.


62 posted on 09/21/2004 12:29:34 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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