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To: Luis Gonzalez
Are you saying that the hostage situation had nothing to do with the war in Chechnya?

No. Like the Empire, the sun never sets on Islamic terror. Ping me when the Chechnians (sp?) have spent a year or two attacking military targets, and left civilians and airliners alone, thus divorcing themselves from their jihadist allies. I'll be glad to consider their complaints. Till then, they're our enemies allies.

Hopefully Israel can teach Russia to handle these situations, especially airline security, more effectively.

80 posted on 09/20/2004 7:31:14 PM PDT by SJackson (If you're listening to a rock star…on who to vote for, you're a bigger moron than they are, A Cooper)
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To: SJackson

And the Chechans are new to these tactics there cause has been infected by Islamofascism. The virus has entered the host. Granted the host was an easy target given the history of that region.


81 posted on 09/20/2004 7:36:34 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (Day 12, and the pajamahadeen still demands Dan Rather be fired)
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To: SJackson
Hopefully Israel can teach Russia to handle these situations, especially airline security, more effectively.

I will forever be impressed by Sharon's offer. Russia has bumbled every single one of these situations. Sharon is my hero, now! To make such a kind and compassionate offer, with no strings attached, is very much hero material in my book.

Call me overly idealistic, but it is my belief that Sharon did this because he knows what it is like to see children killed by terrorists.

Btw, "chechens" is the spelling. :-) Cheers!

82 posted on 09/20/2004 8:08:19 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: SJackson
"Ping me when the Chechnians (sp?) have spent a year or two attacking military targets, and left civilians and airliners alone."

So, the Chechens have to limit their attacks on Russian military targets, while the Russian military targets Chechen cities and civilians population centers.

And of course, you've no bias on this.

83 posted on 09/20/2004 8:39:55 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: SJackson
"Ping me when the Chechnians (sp?) have spent a year or two attacking military targets, and left civilians and airliners alone"

Russian troops close in on Chechen capital
November 20, 1999

From staff and wire reports

GROZNY, Russia (CNN) -- Russian commanders say their troops are within three miles (5 km) of Grozny, as federal forces tighten the noose around the Chechen capital and pound villages across the breakaway republic.

Clear skies Saturday allowed Russian warplanes to renew bombing raids on Grozny. Meanwhile, Russian officials began restoring basic utilities to areas occupied by federal troops and urged residents who fled Chechnya to return.

According to the ITAR-Tass news agency, military officials said that Russian forces had nearly surrounded Grozny, which Russian aircraft have been shelling for weeks.

Saturday's resumed airstrikes came amid intense international criticism of Russia's military campaign in Chechnya. At a summit in Turkey last week, President Boris Yeltsin angrily rejected calls for negotiations to end the seven-week conflict.


85 posted on 09/20/2004 8:46:38 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: SJackson
In order to end terrorism, the reasons for the terrorism existing must be eliminated; if they are not, then we will fight an endless, nearly unwinable war.

Clearly, the source of Islamic terrorism is religious fanaticism; call if Wahabbism, fundamentalism, Khomenism...whatever "ism" you are partial to is fine with me; in order to truly defeat Islamic fascism, we must kill the core.

All these posts in FR claiming that the only way to win this war is by destroying all Muslims, whether physically or by destroying their faith, are crap. The West will never engage in world-wide religious purge of those proportions, and you can't destroy a faith, neither theirs or ours because at the core of both faith systems is the fact that dying in the name of our religion spots us a place in heaven.

And faiths are self-replenishing by nature; parents teach their children.

So you must eradicate the radical core, and eliminate the source of the problem in the case of Islamic fascism, we must take out the Wahabbis, and anyone who finances or supports them just like we took out Saddam.

Well, in this part of the world, the problem is Russia, because Russia is the source for the reason for the terrorism to exist, and the reason why it exists.

Does it excuse the terrorism or pardon the terrorists?

No, they must die, but Russia must change their current Chechen policy if for no other reason than to make the task of killing all terrorists easier by not creating new terrorists along the way.

Why does this concern me?

Because Putin is using this to create a Russia that's quickly resembling the Soviet Union, and old Soviets have a lot more in common with radical Muslims than with us.

92 posted on 09/20/2004 9:46:18 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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