And I stand by that statment! 
Life's like that, Louie.
Posted on 09/20/2004 4:10:21 PM PDT by neverdem
BUMP
Right back at ya!
You think all those innocent civilians protested the two human slave markets in Grozny and Urus-Martin? Guess again.
By that time all the decent people were gone.
And there were not that many of them, Luis, because the chechens have always been a fairly barbaric people. As evidenced by what they chose to do with their independence.
It only took wahabbi islam to take them over the edge. And now it is a portal to Hades.
The reason it is a portal to Hades, Luis, is because the chechens kidnapped the aid workers coming in to provide assistance, the pro-chechen journalists coming in to tell the world the chechen side of the story, and they beheaded them too! Wow, takes some evil to do that, doesn't it? Kill the people who are coming in to help you or support you.
So the conclusion anyone reaches about chechens is that they are either completely clueless and stupid, or just as evil and sick as possible, enjoying death, gore and killing so much that they even choose to use their own political and social supporters for it.
Guess which choice makes the most sense?
According to the Euros on the chechen lists, the ones who support the chechens in full, on their trips to Grozny there were kiosks everywhere with videos of throat-slitting and worse. Even they found it to be disgusting, but they still support the chechens. You know why they do?
Because like you, they don't really support the chechens, and they know these people are basically blood and gore motivated. It's because they hate Russia. Like you.
I was right - you are old.
Putin Finds Ally in World Bank
By Valeria Korchagina
Amid an international chorus of criticism over a presidential initiative to abolish elections for governors and single-mandate State Duma deputies, one of the world's most influential bankers has offered an surprisingly strong endorsement of President Vladimir Putin and his plans to gain more power.
"I personally would be reluctant to conclude that his motives are bad," World Bank president James Wolfensohn told The Wall Street Journal in an interview published Tuesday. "I think Russia is a pretty difficult place to run, and so I wouldn't come to that conclusion too quickly."
Wolfensohn's remarks came after leaders from the United States and European Union expressed concern that Putin would roll back a decade of democratic gains by further strengthening the executive chain of command.
Putin presented his proposals as part of a Kremlin effort to fight terrorism last week. But coupled with the ongoing legal assault on oil giant Yukos and a tightening of controls on national media, the plans are raising fears that Putin is reverting to the Soviet past.
Wolfensohn, who is known as a staunch supporter of Putin in the West, acknowledged the problems.
"Clearly the moves in relation to press freedoms and in relation to Yukos are of concern," Wolfensohn was quoted as saying, indicating a change in his perception of Yukos.
Wolfensohn said during a visit to Moscow in January that he was "relaxed" about the Yukos affair.
In the newspaper interview, Wolfensohn noted that Putin has been put in a difficult situation by the Beslan hostage-taking.
"I think Putin has a very difficult issue to face. The act of barbarism has upset the entire country, and the first reaction is for security and trying to centralize it," he said.
Although unusual, Wolfensohn's remarks did not surprise political analysts, who said the difference between him and world leaders is that he probably sees Russia through the eyes of an investment banker and businessman.
"I see it more as an emblematic diversion in views regarding Putin between those who pursue economic interests and those who monitor his domestic and international policies," said Andrew Kuchins, director of the Carnegie Moscow Center. "Those who are primarily interested in the economy see Russia much more positively."
Kuchins said Wolfensohn looks at Russia as an emerging market and compares it with other emerging markets, all of which lack developed democratic institutions.
Wolfensohn's comments also illustrate that the West's perception of Russia is far from united, said Sergei Markov, a former Kremlin political consultant. Politicians in democracies that value human rights see Putin as a former KGB agent seeking a tighter grip on the country, and they find this worrisome, he said. Businessmen, however, see Putin's actions as neutral or positive, as a good manager needs to have control.
"What is there to complain about? Returns are growing, and businesses are prospering," Markov said.
Among the Western criticism, U.S. President George W. Bush said last week that he was "concerned about the decisions that are being made in Russia that could undermine democracy in Russia."
Two visiting U.S. congressmen said in interviews published Tuesday that Putin's plans deserve criticism and his statements in the wake of Beslan may have a negative impact on U.S.-Russian relations. Representative Michael Burgess, a Republican, said Bush had "significant reason" to offer criticism and that Putin's statements after Beslan "could lead to a situation when our relations will become as bad as they were before," Izvestia reported. He did not specify to which statements he was referring.
Burgess' worries were echoed by Representative Thomas Tancredo, a Republican, who urged Moscow to strike a correct balance between "forces struggling for more freedoms" and "forces struggling for more security," Izvestia said.
Burgess and Tancredo were in Moscow to commemorate those killed in the recent terrorist attacks. They left for Beslan on Tuesday, a U.S. Embassy official said. Representative Curt Weldon, a Republican, led a delegation to Russia on a similar mission last week.
Also last week, former U.S. Vice President Al Gore said during a visit to St. Petersburg that Putin's post-Beslan moves were understandable and that the U.S. government had taken similar measures after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
But he warned that it would be wrong to allow all important economic decisions to be made at the federal level, saying that would slow economic development. Gore was speaking Friday at an international forum on Russian economic development.
Commenting on media freedoms, Gore said: "I have an impression that Russian television is more controlled by the state than newspapers. While here, I read The Moscow Times newspaper and saw very critical articles about President Putin. It means those newspapers are free. However, television traditionally has more influence on the mass of the population."
LOL, he comes from Cuba but refuses to believe a culture can be evil. Unless it is Russian.
And I stand by that statment!
Life's like that, Louie.
I got $10 says he drops that faster than a 11-year old Havana girl can roll a cigar on her thigh!
Your pro-Chechen friends, Louis:
Hello Friends!
Here is info about recent activity of KOR-ABC in Warsaw.
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On 17th February 1996 during an anticapitalist demonstration in Cracov, 16 anarchists were arrested, among them Marek Milewski, archoelogy student at Warsaw University. Marek Milewski was accused of throwing molotov cocktails (he didn't do that) at police bastards. He was sentenced for one month jail awaiting trial. The prosecutor can jail him for between 3 and 7 years. Marek is obviously not guilty. Police and judges in Cracov are willing to jail him to discourage anarchists in Cracov and all Poland.
Since the day when Marek was arrested, KOR (Komitet Obrony Represjonowanych) ABC (Anarchist Black Cross) in Warsaw, Cracov, Gdansk and Rzeszow have been trying to help Marek. Several demonstrations were organised and some funds were collected. Unfortunatly all the lawyers we asked to help us refused to co-operate, because they are afraid of loosing their reputation for defending an anarchist. We are very dissapointed with this.
On 23rd February Marek Kurzyniec, an anarchist from Cracov, one of the founders of the Anarchist Federation, organizer of 2 aid convoys to Chechnya was arrested and accused of organizing an illegal demonstration. He was sentenced for 4 months for not paying the fine (1400 polish zlotys). Cracov ABC managed to collect money and Kurzyniec was released on 2nd March. But Marek Milewski is still in jail.
Now we are trying to find a lawyer who will help us or eventually find enough money to pay as a caution for releasing Marek.
Hope soon Marek Milewski will be free!
In solidarity,
Mike Kusnierz (KOR-ABC Warsaw)
(http://recollectionbooks.com/anow/world/eu/poland/polandb.html)
The gratitude of their Chechen friends after they got the practical independence at the end of 1996:
Krzysztof Galinski, Mac Pariadka and Zycie Marek Kurzyniec, Marscho and Zycie
Imprisoned: December 17, 1997
Galinski and Kurzyniec were kidnapped in Chechnya along with three other Polish citizens by unknown assailants while trying to deliver a shipment of food aid. All five undertook the mission on behalf of the National Federation of Anarchists in Poland, of which they are all members. Galinski is an editor with the Gdansk-based Mac Pariadka, the country's largest national anarchist monthly magazine. Kurzyniec edits his own small political bulletin Marscho, also in Gdansk.
Although their primary mission was the food aid delivery, both carried press credentials from Zycie, a national daily newspaper in Gdansk. They had agreed to a request from the editor to write free-lance articles about the situation in Chechnya upon their return.
The National Federation of Anarchists reported that all five hostages were safe as of mid-January. Rumors that the hostage-takers demanded ransom from Zycie and the anarchists' group could not be confirmed.
The kidnapping is the latest in a long series of abductions of foreign journalists and aid workers in Chechnya, usually for ransom.
(http://www.cpj.org/attacks97/confirmedright.html)
Well they are Polish after all - JOKE! Sorry :)
They just killed for the fun of making movies, it seems.
"Kidnap capital of the world"
The killing of the four hostages is the worst single incident against foreigners in Chechnya since six Red Cross workers lost their lives in December 1996.
Beyond the personal tragedy of the deaths of the four men, this is another heavy blow for President Maskhadov. He has failed to stem the tide of kidnappings that have made his republic a no-go area for foreigners.
He himself compared these murders to the killing of six Red Cross workers in Chechnya in December 1996.
The president repeated the accusation that this was the work of "foreign intelligence services." (sound familiar??)
That sounds highly implausible, when most of the kidnap gangs in Chechnya are plain criminals, but there is little doubt that the gangs are also trying to undermine Mr Maskhadov's government.
The president's authority has been further weakened this autumn with the murder of one of the commanders of combating kidnapping - Shadid Bargishev - and the political defection of another, Khunkar-Pasha Israpilov.
Hostage-taking continues
There are still at least 100 hostages being held in Chechnya.
The dozen or so foreigners who have been captured and in most cases released have claimed most attention.
One of them, the Frenchman Vincent Cochetel, head of the North Caucasus office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, is known to be still alive.
But the majority of the 100 or so captives are Chechens and some have been as young as two years old.
Hostage-taking in Chechnya has become a vicious circle. The economy is in ruins and there is no work, which makes it attractive for armed young men to join the many kidnap gangs.
The gangs have become more and more powerful after receiving ransoms of up to $2m for foreign hostages, which they have used to equip themselves even better.
This in turn undermines the government and halts all foreign investment or economic activity.
Projects such as those the four unfortunate engineers were working on, to restore a telephone network, have lapsed.
And Chechnya has slipped into a condition of complete lawlessness.
Now all the Orthodox countries have officially stepped out with aid. Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria.
"Bulgaria has also suggested for some 100 Beslan children to travel on the plane's flight back, and spend recovery time in Bulgaria."
Well, as it turns out, the NRO/NeoCon axis is working overtime. Ledeen, Wolfe, Perle--ALL of them telling GWB to condemn Putin.
Poor ol' GWB steps in.
The analogy: the Czar telling Andy Jackson to keep his troops away from the Indians--who after all, were just trying to defend their buffalo lands by torturing settlers.
Uh-huh.
I think that the situation over there is different. Mountain Chechens live in another world - divided in clans (hostile one to another with long lasting vendettas), close knit, with traditional robbery, confused by modernity, by recent Wahabi influences and by their Western admirers.
The Chechens who have more brains or desire for better life left for the Russian cities long time ago. In fact most of them did. Some are troublemakers (organized crime) but many are productive normal citizens.
This Polish anarchist group was engaging in Western phantasy of brave tribal freedom fighters and ugly Russophobic hatred. They were brainwashing confused Chechens with this "noble" vision. But when one clan was more into traditional kindapping (they need to make living in these poor mountains somehow) the dreamy delusion was crushed by the morbid reality.
I recommend the film Prisoner of the Mountains that "introduces a world that is likely to be unfamiliar to most Western viewers."
If the Western PC doogooders, Big Game players and Saudi sponsors stop to meddle, Russia might quiet down the situation by delevoping peaceful local Chechen leadership focused on economic and cultural development. It will take time, but it is only humane solution.
Really? I don't support Putin's bid to extend his term, I am not against his centralization, since half of Europe, to include our coalition partner England appoints governors..oops.. But you seem to spend most of your time excusing Chechins autrocities, I even saw you on a thread in memory of the victems, shifting blame and excusing the Islamics. That was very low.
Did he really say he hates Russians in general? If so, please post it or a link. At least if he did, then we can all see what we are dealing with and treat it like wise. But I want to see some proof before I form that opinion.
You are a one man discrediting operation. Not a very good one, but one nonetheless.
Made you comment did it not?
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