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Afraid of global warming? Chill out -
The Telegraph - UK ^ | September 20, 2004 | Neil Collins

Posted on 09/20/2004 11:45:29 AM PDT by UnklGene

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1 posted on 09/20/2004 11:45:29 AM PDT by UnklGene
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To: UnklGene
What if Algore is partly right? Lets say man is creating enough stuff that he is changing the weather but if man hadn't a major ice age would have occurred? There is no way to know if that is not the case is there? Maybe we will stop adding hydrocarbons and the whole world could freeze up as a result!
2 posted on 09/20/2004 11:49:43 AM PDT by big bad easter bunny (Whats more to say?)
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To: UnklGene

I've never bought global warming--one volcanic eruption pollutes more than the Industrial Revolution.


3 posted on 09/20/2004 11:50:37 AM PDT by jcb8199
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To: Truth666

Ping


4 posted on 09/20/2004 11:53:13 AM PDT by Jaded ((Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain))
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To: UnklGene
Even if global warming is happening here, it has been also been detected on Mars, Pluto and Triton.

You can't point to human activity as the cause of global warming, when it occurs elsewhere in the solar system where human beings don't even exist.

6 posted on 09/20/2004 12:23:43 PM PDT by Dave Olson
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To: UnklGene
"First there was Frances, then came Ivan, and now Jeanne is stirring herself to do her worst"

He forgot Charley and Lisa (not to mention Alex, Bonnie and Gaston...forgot who D and E were).

7 posted on 09/20/2004 12:32:03 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: farmfriend

ping


8 posted on 09/20/2004 12:34:53 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: TonyRo76

Not to mention that "The Hole" in the ozone layer SHRUNK last year...


9 posted on 09/20/2004 1:00:19 PM PDT by jcb8199
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To: UnklGene

CA keeps tells us the east coast will slide into the ocean.


10 posted on 09/20/2004 1:01:21 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I wear sleepwear therefore I think)
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To: big bad easter bunny
Lets say man is creating enough stuff that ...
Comparared to: volcanic eruptions, choking dustsorms kicked up by nature, steaming vents in the oceans depths churning out poisonous, toxic fumes, surface vents around active 'sores' in the earth's land surface churing out poisonous, toxic fumes, escaping hydrocarbons from the interior of the earth, naturally occurring forest fires?

I think jcb8199 pretty well summed it up:

one volcanic eruption pollutes more than the Industrial Revolution.

11 posted on 09/20/2004 1:11:19 PM PDT by _Jim (s <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: jcb8199; TonyRo76; bmwcyle; UnklGene; Truth666
Check this site out. The Petition Project has some valuable info that is never covered by the MSM.

Petition Project

12 posted on 09/20/2004 1:11:56 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: ThomasMore
My personal fave for debunking global warming zealots:

www.co2science.org

and

Globally-Averaged Atmospheric Temperatures

and

Greenhouse Warming: Fact, Hypothesis, or Myth? - Comparison of Satellite data and surface data

13 posted on 09/20/2004 1:26:20 PM PDT by _Jim (s <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: _Jim

Thnx...bookmark bump!


14 posted on 09/20/2004 1:30:57 PM PDT by ThomasMore (Pax et bonum!)
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To: UnklGene
Reporting that the sun came up this morning and probably will tomorrow:

...doesn't gain market share, fund special committees, fertilize grass root social(ism) activists, or pad grant funded long term studies with slack jawed children of former associates for services rendered.

15 posted on 09/20/2004 1:31:10 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer (Less carrot, more STICK!)
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To: _Jim

GREAT sites! Thanks for posting them!


16 posted on 09/20/2004 1:40:02 PM PDT by jcb8199
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To: UnklGene

Doesn't matter if it's true or not - the planet is going to do what it's going to do, and there's nothing a few piddly humans can do that'll change that.

When comparing the force of nature to the force of man, there's just no contest - nature will kick our butt every time.


17 posted on 09/20/2004 1:42:42 PM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: jcb8199
I did some digging around in my 'Earth Sciences' bookmark file to find the following webpage - it goes into detail how The Surface Record is determined, and the factors, e.g. 'urban heat islands', have affected it:

Report to the Greening Earth Society "The Surface Record: 'Global Mean Temperature' and how it is determined at surface level"

Quick excerpt:

The Urban Heat Island Effect [13] is the first major source of error. This effect is caused by the tendency of concrete, roads, and buildings to heat up to high temperatures in the daytime and slowly release that heat during the night, resulting in a higher daytime and even higher nighttime temperature than would exist in a nearby rural area.

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To be completely free of this urbanization problem, a site needs to be strictly greenfield. A greenfield site is a rural site where there is no urbanization whatsoever. Such sites are few and far between, but they do exist. Most of them do not show warming, or they manifest weaker trends than are claimed for the globe as a whole, as shown in the station records in the Appendix.

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In addition to heat islands, there are also environmental errors created by the micro-environment in the immediate vicinity of the box itself. Where there are boxes - even under greenfield circumstances - there also are people. People typically alter their micro-environment to suit their own preferences. They grow bushes and trees, erect sheds and fences, or turn a bare patch of ground into a garden. Most of these kinds of changes occur over time (such as the growth of trees or bushes growth), but they have two effects. One of is to reduce the visible skyline of the box (a problem highlighted by radiation expert Dr Doug Hoyt). This reduces the ability of the box to radiate its heat to space. Instead it becomes subject to increased infra-red radiation from the growing obstructions. The shrinking skyline effect as Hoyt dubs it, is a "warming creep error" in the measured temperatures.


18 posted on 09/20/2004 2:03:52 PM PDT by _Jim (s <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: UnklGene

As the famous astronomer whose ashes fly the black skies of the endless universe once said, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."


19 posted on 09/20/2004 2:07:17 PM PDT by Old Professer (The Truth always gets lost in the Noise.)
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To: ThomasMore

Don't reply to me with this crap.


20 posted on 09/20/2004 2:22:36 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I wear sleepwear therefore I think)
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