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I'm sure some bloggers can find if Max had anything to do with all of this. That would be rich.
1 posted on 09/20/2004 7:41:52 AM PDT by NotchJohnson
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The argument that the documents are "bogus but valid" holds just about as much water as alleging that a counterfeit 100 dollar bill may be fake, but still good enough to buy a steak dinner for two.


2 posted on 09/20/2004 7:48:12 AM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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If CBS continues to cover up where the documents came from ... the entire chain of possession ... then we'll know that the bigger story hasn't yet seen the light of day.

Very well said.

3 posted on 09/20/2004 7:48:33 AM PDT by elli1
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The Rather interview of Burkitt was designed to take the heat off of Dan by implying he was out of the loop until now. Won't work since Rather was in the loop enough to insult critics of the documents and stand arrogantly firm in his assertions for mor ehtan a week. So I will not wash that he now talk to Bukitt and has begun to have doubts.

One way or the oither damn was lying about the documents when he knew they were a farce or he was lying about the quality of ther work and the extent of validation he and his staff do at CBS.


4 posted on 09/20/2004 7:51:06 AM PDT by rod1
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Well if it was Max, he sure didn't hide the documents in his socks.

(hey, It's almost 10:00 am CDT, who wants to play grenade toss?)

I'm sorry, that was mean spirited :-(

7 posted on 09/20/2004 7:53:05 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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Timing points to Cleland. Motive and opportunity, also--Burkett has already said he contacted MC, didn't he?
8 posted on 09/20/2004 7:53:29 AM PDT by Mamzelle (Pajamamama)
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I want to run something up the flagpole here. Just suppose for purposes of speculation that those phony documents were deliberately left for Burkett to find in that NG office. I've never understood why someone so flaky as him would be allowed in there with such sensitive documents. Knowing that Burkett was an unstable flake it would follow that at some point he couldn't restrain himself and would release these phony documents. Whoever, took the bait and CBS, anxious to torpedo Bush, went with the story. The WH was ready for this story by issuing a non-denial, that since CBS was a "credible news network" they wouldn't take issue with the documents. This was the "proof" that CBS had to run with the story.

Either way, it is hard to see how Rove could go wrong with phony documents since the news organizations could never establish the veracity of them. If they weren't published, no harm. If they were published, more the better. This would eat up a lot of campaign time and Kerry is damaged by his association to the MSM.

Am I nuts?


9 posted on 09/20/2004 7:54:13 AM PDT by RichardW
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I don't think for a moment that Rather would intentionally present documents he knew to be forged to his audience, even if he thought those documents would help his chosen candidate.

I disagree. Dan is a commie, and has even said himself he has no problem with the idea that a lying person is an honest person.

11 posted on 09/20/2004 7:54:54 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe (POP - Political Operative in Pajamas)
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Oh, no!! Did Max get blind, stinking drunk and do something really stupid again?


12 posted on 09/20/2004 7:57:12 AM PDT by Tacis (Benedict Arnold - It's all about forging documents and selling out America!)
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Great line -- and GM, Toyota, etc.:

CBS wasn't duped -- their viewers were.

16 posted on 09/20/2004 8:05:37 AM PDT by GOPJ
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Rather's blathering that though the documents were phony what they said was true defies all logic. If CBS is to have any credibility they need to fire Rather and clean house in its news bureau. The pathetic attempt to say we were unknowing victims of a hoax is a joke given the obvious forgery of the memos.


22 posted on 09/20/2004 8:16:17 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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I don't think for a moment that Rather would intentionally present documents he knew to be forged to his audience...

I do. For far too long, the media has cultivated an image of itself as being somehow above all the human failings to which the rest of us are subject. Sorry, won't wash. Reporters and commentators all up and down the media food chain — and that most definitely includes famous network anchors — are just as capable as anyone else is of being just plain crooked and dishonest.

If this scandal does nothing else, I hope it at last bursts the bubble of fantasy that's surrounded the media for far, far too long. A fantasy that says, if it's in print or on TV news, it must be true. A fantasy that says there is always a real, live human being behind the media's anonymous sources, instead of a completely made up quote or story from no one. A fantasy that says big media is always purely objective and working for the public good. A fantasy that says the media has no agenda of its own. Hah!!!

23 posted on 09/20/2004 8:19:36 AM PDT by Wolfstar (Silence in the face of atrocity is complicity. Vote GWB 11/2/04 for 9/11/01 & the Russian kids.)
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The documents were obvious forgeries, and CBS ignored the warnings from their own experts that they didn't look authentic. In other words, they're acting like they accepted a $100 bill drawn with a green crayon and were deceived. We're going to buy that, aren't we?

Ah, excellent analogy. I get a crayon counterfeit bill, and pass it on. When they arrest me, I cry, "I wasn't the originator. I only passed on what I thought was a legit bill." That'll certainly pass straight-face muster in a court of law, right?

24 posted on 09/20/2004 8:19:37 AM PDT by Colofornian
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Here is the logic that dems would have us accept:

Every intelligence agency in the world said Saddam had WMD's.
George Bush acted on the intel and invaded Iraq.
No WMD's have been found.
Therefore, George Bush lied!

and now,

Every qualified expert said that the National Guard documents were forgeries.
Rather used the documents anyway.
Now, CBS is admitting that they were forgeries.
Therefore, Rather was duped!


25 posted on 09/20/2004 8:20:25 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree
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What I want to know is: WHO is going to go to Federal Prison for this or is it just going to GO AWAY?????


27 posted on 09/20/2004 8:25:35 AM PDT by okokie
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The green crayon drawing of a $100 bill has inspired a new tag line. See if you can guess where it came from.


28 posted on 09/20/2004 8:33:53 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (You never know what you'll get when you troll through a newsroom with a phony document.)
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Neal is behind the curve. On 9/9/04, I posted this gem:

CBSNEWS LAUNCHES INTERNAL INVESTIGATION AFTER SUSPICIOUS BUSH DOCS AIRED (drudge Siren)
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On News/Activism 09/09/2004 11:46:30 PM CDT · 635 of 816

I've been rethinking this thing and I've changed my mind a bit. I've been saying this afternoon and evening that CBS will refuse to out the source.

Now I'm thinking they have no real alternative. If they don't, imaginations will run rampant that their source is connected to Team Kerry. This would hand the election to Bush-Cheney.

But what if the source IS connected to Team Kerry. Then the pressure will be on CBS to refuse to turn over. But if they won't give him up, then rumors will multiply and Kerry will lose.

Yep, it looks bad for Kerry-Edwards. How ironic is this? It's nowhere near Purim, but we have a real-life example of the Purim story right here in River City.

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29 posted on 09/20/2004 8:40:03 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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.......they're acting like they accepted a $100 bill drawn with a green crayon and were deceived....

ROFLMAO
(That qualifies as "Quote of the Day".)
LOL

31 posted on 09/20/2004 8:50:19 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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Bill Burkett > Max Cleland > DNC??? > Mary Mapes > Dan Rather.

The question is how far up the DNC heirarchy did they go?

32 posted on 09/20/2004 8:53:37 AM PDT by GallopingGhost
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"Modified Limited Hangout"


35 posted on 09/20/2004 9:11:12 AM PDT by dennisw (There)
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CBS expecting the White House to research this smear is beyond clueless and arrogant.

By the way, when did Dan Rather get a face-lift? Since I've never watched the program until recently, I noticed Dan has the the tell-tale horizontal eye pull when he was ambushed by Fox News reporter.


37 posted on 09/20/2004 9:30:08 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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