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aNG Col on Fox News says Bush volunteered for Nam!

Posted on 09/20/2004 5:28:26 AM PDT by JaguarXKE

Fox and Freiends now


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There is a former Texas ANG colonel on Fox and Friends now (Col Earl Livey) who confirms that Bush volunteered for a program that would have taken him to Viet Nam! (Palace Alert). So let me see if I have this straight...one joins the guard and volunteerd to go to Nam in order to avoid service in Nam.

(Sorry if this is a repeat - but I just now heard it)

Jag

1 posted on 09/20/2004 5:28:26 AM PDT by JaguarXKE
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To: JaguarXKE

I just heard that report.

Many freepers have known this and it's about time Fox reported it.

They should report it daily for a while.


2 posted on 09/20/2004 5:30:34 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: JaguarXKE

It is true.

Bush did volunteered for viet service.

Problem was the war was winding down and second the fighters he flew the F104 was not designed for viet battle.


3 posted on 09/20/2004 5:31:31 AM PDT by CHICAGOFARMER (Concealed Carry)
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To: JaguarXKE

I was cheering! We need to send FaF some PJ's.


4 posted on 09/20/2004 5:32:49 AM PDT by OSHA (ARRRRRGGGHHH My hugh, stuned beeber has been seriesly douped!)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

Ooops!
Bush flew 102's.


5 posted on 09/20/2004 5:33:16 AM PDT by G Larry (Support John Thune!)
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To: JaguarXKE

Even if he did go to Vietnam, it's not like he had a dangerous job. Dropping bombs on innocent people from 10,000 feet, then flying home 400 miles from the front line to eat a hot meal and sleep in his comfy bed... while *REAL* heroes like John Kerry ate bugs and slept on bamboos skewers.

Oh. Sorry. I was channeling Max Cleland there for a moment...


6 posted on 09/20/2004 5:33:55 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (http://www.drunkenbuffoonery.com/mboards/)
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To: JaguarXKE
Yeah, and another joined the Naval Reserve after failing to get a deferrment in order to avoid going to Nam. Then decided to get a JFK-like rep in a safe zone only to find out that after he volunteered for the safe zone, the unit was transfered to the brown water. Then he managed to magic up three questionable Purple Hearts, come home and immediately refuse to attend required drills and actively protest and conspire with the enemy.

Okay, I get it now. The first is a Republican and therefore bad and the second is a DemocRAT and therefore good.

7 posted on 09/20/2004 5:34:04 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: JaguarXKE

Bush had about 300 flight hours and they wanted pilots with over 500 flight hours (they prefered close to 1000)

Bush got turned down on the spot.


8 posted on 09/20/2004 5:34:38 AM PDT by nonkultur
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To: G Larry

The F104 Starfighter was not designed for it either. But Bush flew F102.


9 posted on 09/20/2004 5:34:58 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Dan Rather don't need no stinkin facts, he is a journalist and therefore above reproach.)
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To: JaguarXKE

Not to diminish this fact, but it is old news. Just not the kind of news you will hear on the alphabet networks.


10 posted on 09/20/2004 5:35:37 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: JaguarXKE

This won't matter to the detractors. They will just say that Bush had inside knowledge through his Daddy that the F 104's (102's?) were being phased out of participation in the war. Bush knew he was safe. It's all moot anyhow. Bush got an honorable discharge and never sought to make a campaign issue out of his guard service.


11 posted on 09/20/2004 5:35:44 AM PDT by randita
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

He flew the F 102 not the F 104.

The F 102 fire control system was a 1950 design.
No transistors only tubes.
Its computer was analog not digital.


12 posted on 09/20/2004 5:36:05 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rather calls Saddam "Mister President" and calls President Bush "bush")
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Its only 8:30 am and I think that is the post of the day. Bravo! LOL


13 posted on 09/20/2004 5:36:19 AM PDT by smith288 (ejsmithweb.com)
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To: JaguarXKE
For the record: Colonel Earl Lively was the guest's name.
14 posted on 09/20/2004 5:36:38 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (John Kerry: Incoherent and Indecisive.)
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To: JaguarXKE

I thought I heard that he volunteered for Palace Alert, was turned down due to insufficient flight hours, then re-applied asking for a waiver which was denied.
Anybody elso remenber this?


15 posted on 09/20/2004 5:38:40 AM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: Lunatic Fringe

bump!


16 posted on 09/20/2004 5:39:00 AM PDT by The Mayor (It is easier to resist the first evil desire than to satisfy all the ones that follow.)
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To: CHICAGOFARMER

You have to also throw in the argument that if they had accepted GW for NAM duty...he would have had to retrain into another airframe...which means at least six months of training. And the major airframes of the period would have been the B-52, C-130, C-141, and the F-4.


17 posted on 09/20/2004 5:39:17 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Use It Or Lose It

Mr Bush is too humble to be proclaiming this news, unlike his oppoenent who likes to pretend he was a big hero. And he's in the party that stands for pacifism and surrender.

Of course the "media" will not give much attention to this Bush info, much as they ignored the devastating testimony against jk given at the Viet vets rally in DC Sept. 12.


18 posted on 09/20/2004 5:39:31 AM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: JaguarXKE

Killian's son said the same thing.


19 posted on 09/20/2004 5:39:52 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: JaguarXKE
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 09:48:50 -0400 (EDT)
To: friends@foxnews.com
Subject: Mary Landrieu's Assertion


Senator Landrieu asserted that George W. Bush "stayed behind,"
while John Kerry volunteered for front-line duty in Vietnam.

Any facts to back that up?  Nope.  I think not.

YOU seem to be unable or unwilling to share the -UNCONTESTED- and
easily verified facts with your viewers:


George W. Bush

 - Requested and was granted training on the F-102.  At the time
   he requested the training, the F-102 was active in Vietnam

 - After being flight qualified, requested assignment in Vietnam.
   At the time, F-102 was active in Vietnam.  His request was
   denied because his superior officers deemed him too "green"
   for combat duty.

 - After having more experience, again requested assignment to
   Vietnam.  This time his request was denied because the F-102
   was not active in Vietnam.

John Kerry

 - Requested assignment on Swift boats at a time when their
   duty was not upriver, but shore.  A Boston Globe story
   reported, "Kerry also believed a swift boat assignment would
   keep him away from the frontlines of combat."

   John Kerry himself wrote, in 1986, "At the time, the boats had
   very little to do with war.  They were engaged in coastal
   patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing.
   Although I wanted to see for myself what was going on, I
   didn't really want to get involved in the war."


Now, I know that Senator Landrieu is a partisan, and that she is
not truthful.  But you are failing to perform a public service
when you fail to provide facts for your viewers.

Not that there is anything wrong with your omission of relevant
facts.  But the omission does illustrate the limits of your value
as contributing to reasoned public discourse.

20 posted on 09/20/2004 5:40:25 AM PDT by Cboldt
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