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'Where The Right Went Wrong' (Patrick J. Buchanan)- New York Times Book Review
NY Times ^ | September 12, 2004 | Michael Kazin

Posted on 09/18/2004 6:07:04 PM PDT by Former Military Chick

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To: sinkspur

Yes it is true -- he is anti-semitic. He and Hillary would get along in that regard. While Pat bounces off the walls alot in his manifesto, he does have a core of true conservatism, a lust for a return to "real" America, but with alot of rough edges, and a bit of myopia.


21 posted on 09/18/2004 6:25:19 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Former Military Chick
Pat finally lost me completely when I heard him praising President Reagan for the only thing I faulted him for ... being chased out of Lebanon. I think it set a dangerous, and now familiar, precedent that led directly to 9-11. Pat thinks it was a policy decision worthy of admiration. Man he really, really hates the Jews.
22 posted on 09/18/2004 6:25:43 PM PDT by Gumption
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To: Freepdonia
Since the mid-1950's, when William F. Buckley Jr. created National Review,

Bill Buckley drummed Pat out of the respectable wing of the conservative movement for his anti-semitism, just as he excised the John Birch Society from our ranks.

23 posted on 09/18/2004 6:26:08 PM PDT by Valpal1 (The constitution is going to be amended, the only question is by whom?)
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To: Tax-chick
I take it you don't think he's cute.

Puppies are cute. Kittens are cute. Baby ducks are cute. I would not put Pat Buchanan in that category. *shudder*

24 posted on 09/18/2004 6:27:04 PM PDT by Prime Choice (The Religion of Peace ISN'T.)
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To: Freepdonia
Who is Pat Buchanan?

The guy who lost an uncle in Germany during WWII. He fell out of a guard tower and broke his neck.

(Don't blame me, I heard in on Imus years ago)

25 posted on 09/18/2004 6:27:31 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Part of the Reagan legacy is to re-elect G.W. Bush))
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To: OldFriend

Everytime a bus, pizza parlor or anything along that line
that a suicide murderer destroys in Israel I try to send Pat a photo for his scrapbook.


26 posted on 09/18/2004 6:27:44 PM PDT by dwilli
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To: Former Military Chick
Strangely, he doesn't realize that the president, a born-again Christian, needed no special prompting after the attacks of Sept. 11 to declare a new world war between good and evil.

How does this moron know that president Bush needed no prompting??? This guy seems to think that his opinion is a legitimate critique of P. Buchanan...It reads more like an advertisement...I'm going to buy the book...

27 posted on 09/18/2004 6:28:04 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Prime Choice

Everyone has a deep, dark secret, and mine is thinking Pat Buchanan is cute ... I didn't say I think he's right, or even sane, just cute.


28 posted on 09/18/2004 6:28:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick (A python asleep on the windowsill and a nasty smell were the first signs that all was not well ...)
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To: Drango
Who is Pat Buchanan?

More like who gives a royal crap what Buchanan has to think or say!

29 posted on 09/18/2004 6:29:57 PM PDT by Bommer (“ To be believable, we must be credible; to be credible, we must be truthful.” Edward R. Murrow)
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To: Former Military Chick

Pat, Pat, Pat. All the good gets flushed out with the bad...


30 posted on 09/18/2004 6:31:02 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution (DemocRATS are communists and want to destroy America only to replace it with the USSA)
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To: Former Military Chick

"Alert readers will have spotted another troubling flaw in Buchanan's worldview. His roster of warmongers is made up exclusively of Jews. But it was Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice and the president himself -- good Christians all -- who sent all those armed Americans into Iraq. Aside from Wolfowitz, the Jewish neocons could only cheer them on from their op-ed pages, think tanks and talk shows.

Buchanan thinks he can explain this discrepancy between conservatives who decide and those who merely advocate. The neconservatives, he claims, saw that George W. Bush was ignorant about world politics and cleverly persuaded him to think like them. At one point, he compares Richard Perle's ''delight at first meeting the future president'' with Fagin's ''initial encounter with the young Oliver Twist.'' After four decades of close political combat, Buchanan seems unwilling to abandon such abusive rhetoric. It may be as essential to him as God and the flag, even while it confirms his status as a political pariah. Strangely, he doesn't realize that the president, a born-again Christian, needed no special prompting after the attacks of Sept. 11 to declare a new world war between good and evil."



I do not have a clue what has happened to make Buchanan so tunnel visioned...I used to like to hear him speak...He is the bridesmaid who did not catch the bouquet.


31 posted on 09/18/2004 6:31:05 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL on issues of national security for two decades)
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To: Tax-chick
Everyone has a deep, dark secret, and mine is thinking Pat Buchanan is cute ... I didn't say I think he's right, or even sane, just cute.

Fair enough. I respect that. And besides, it gives me some hope. If there's someone out there who thinks Pat Buchanan is cute, there's bound to be someone out there who thinks I'm cute. Yay! : )

32 posted on 09/18/2004 6:32:47 PM PDT by Prime Choice (The Religion of Peace ISN'T.)
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To: Former Military Chick
For those who can hold down their lunch when coming in to contact with Buchanan's mishmash of regurgiated 60's leftism he is quite amusing.

His title actually elecits a belly laugh.

Second term for concervative president coming up. Both houses with conservative majority.

And to this idiot it all went wrong.

And how did it go wrong. The right are not leftiest like he is.

Few bigger lying hypocrites than pat Buchanan areound these days.

Maybe its a mental thing with him, I don't know.

33 posted on 09/18/2004 6:32:48 PM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Gumption
I cut my conservative teeth on his columns during the seventies when I was a kid, but lost track of him until the nineties when he became a populist anti-"neo-con" (yeah, we know what he means there, don't we?)

Rush was thinking about voting for him in '92 before he realized how much he had changed.
34 posted on 09/18/2004 6:35:21 PM PDT by Freepdonia (Victory is Ours!)
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To: Former Military Chick
This is a great day, Lord, now that the Free Republic consensus agrees almost completely with the New York Times. Halleluyah!

(To quote Samuel Goldwyn, include me out, please!)

35 posted on 09/18/2004 6:35:28 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: tallhappy

I'm glad Savage came out against Buchanan, calling him a defeatist. Even after having him on his show a few times.


36 posted on 09/18/2004 6:37:19 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: Former Military Chick

Buchanan is Deepthroat.


37 posted on 09/18/2004 6:37:26 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry would avenge the murder of my family by terrorists. Bush would prevent the murders.)
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To: Former Military Chick
Doesn't seem like an especially insightful review or like Kazin actually needed to read the book to write it. Nor is it conceivable that Buchanan could ever have written a book that would please Kazin. Pat Buchanan's uneasy position between various political blocs is clear to all by now, but that could be a stimulus to reflection on just how solid or cohesive or sensible or thoughful those blocs are, and whether current ideological packages might have real flaws in them, and Kazin doesn't rise to the occasion.

He does raise a good point -- Cheney and Rumsfeld were far more central in the move to war than Kristol or Krauthammer. But this book grew a lot out of journalistic polemics and reviews of books. Rightly or wrongly, politicians and administrators are usually given a pass, in that they're allowed to disassociate themselves from their policies more than those who simply advocate, propose, or agitate for such policies. People extend more chances to elected officials than to polemicists and ideologists, who are tied to the policies that they've promoted. It's not necessarily anti-Semitism, just the age-old need to believe in the "good" but misled king.

Buchanan's ideology does have inconsistencies, as Kazin points out, and it's unlikely that any future Republican or conservative leadership would follow him in everything. The "Old Right" package never persuaded a majority of Americans and didn't provide workable answers to foreign policy. But the ability of leaders like Reagan to win over those with more realist or non-interventionist or continentalist views shouldn't be dismissed. In the past, Republicans showed much skill in uniting disparate groups under the same banner, and their ability to do so seemed to be in question in the last few years when this book was written. The outlook has gotten brighter for the Bush Administration in the last few weeks, but whether that will last isn't yet clear.

38 posted on 09/18/2004 6:37:41 PM PDT by x
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To: Valpal1
just as he excised the John Birch Society from our ranks.

Who was or is the John Birch society? I've heard the name, but don't know anything about them. What did they do and whats the bad thing about them?

39 posted on 09/18/2004 6:38:44 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: rdb3

Oh, you mean the people who believe in a limited government that is not quite so limited that it can't provide them a job?


40 posted on 09/18/2004 6:38:51 PM PDT by stands2reason (Limousine Liberal--a man who has his cake, eats his cake, and complains that other people have cake.)
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