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To: William Tell
"Expertise was not the issue at all; just mindset."

My point was that one gun among the passengers was not enough. There needed to be ten or twenty or thirty for the odds to be in their favor of taking out the terrorists.

Everyone comes to the realization that death is imminent, and action is necessary, at different points.
Someone who is confident in their ability to change the situation will take action a lot sooner than someone who can't remember where the safety is on the weapon they have in their holster or purse.

26 posted on 09/18/2004 10:43:17 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy
TexasCowboy said: "My point was that one gun among the passengers was not enough. There needed to be ten or twenty or thirty for the odds to be in their favor of taking out the terrorists."

I understand what you are saying.

But remember that there were four hijackers with box-cutters, perhaps each with the cutter at the throat of an innocent.

Against one person with a 17 round magazine in a Glock, they would have to mount a suicidal charge at the person with the gun. With even a small advantage of surprise, the odds shift to the armed passenger. If just two of the four hijackers failed to mount an immediate charge of the armed passenger, then the odds shift dramatically, I think. If the passenger ambushes at least one hijacker with a surprise head shot at close range, then there are only three men with box-cutters to fight.

If given the choice between being a single person with 17 rounds to fire versus two people with box-cutters, I choose the gun. There are circumstances where the man with the gun can lose, but there are also many dozens of passengers who can take advantage of the confusion to get in their licks.

31 posted on 09/18/2004 11:27:47 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: TexasCowboy
I don't fire my weapons near as often as I should to be as proficient as I could but I damn sure have it seared into my mind how to take the safety off point and shoot. In such close proximity as an airplane I and many others would have had no trouble ventilating those terrorist.

I doubt today even without guns that a terrorist could get away with hijacking an airplane. Because as someone mentioned the mindset that they would survive is gone and people would respond. I know I would despite what weapons the Islamic radicals had.

The obvious solution for airplanes is to at least arm the pilots since we're to PC to allow passengers to carry on flights.

I myself refuse to fly anymore and subject myself to the nonsense that goes on at airports these days because of the PC BS mindset of the majority on guns.
36 posted on 09/18/2004 12:51:31 PM PDT by hawkiye
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