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They Said It Couldn't Be Done (electronic voting)
NY Times ^ | September 18, 2004 | Masthead Editorial

Posted on 09/17/2004 11:12:13 PM PDT by neverdem

Many computer scientists insist that electronic voting machines will be trustworthy only when they produce paper receipts that can be audited. But supporters of electronic voting have long argued that doing so would be extremely difficult, if not impossible. Nevada proved the naysayers wrong this month, running the first statewide election in which electronic voting machines produced paper records of votes cast. Election officials across the country now have no excuse not to provide systems that voters can trust.

There is a growing body of evidence indicating that electronic voting machines are vulnerable to tampering and to software glitches that can skew the vote totals. The best safeguard is a voter-verifiable paper trail, receipts that are printed out during the voting process. Voters can view the receipts to check them against the choices they made on the computer screens. Each receipt remains under glass and, after the vote is cast, falls into a locked box. The receipts can be used in a recount or an audit to check the accuracy of the machine tallies.

The main argument against voter-verifiable paper trails is that they are impractical. At a May meeting of the federal Election Assistance Commission, and again at the National Association of State Election Directors' summer conference, local election officials denounced the campaign for voter-verifiable paper records. At both events, critics waved a receipt about three feet long, saying one that big would be needed for Los Angeles County's lengthy ballot.

But Nevada's secretary of state, Dean Heller, has always believed that paper records are practical, and this month he proved it. Primary voters across the state cast votes on machines that printed out paper records, and none of the nightmarish possibilities came to pass. The poll workers had no trouble with the technology. And election officials had spare machines and printers on hand in the few cases when printers jammed or had other mechanical problems.

Conditions in Nevada favored success. The turnout was light, and the ballot was short enough that the receipt was only about five inches long. But there is no reason to believe that paper trails could not work in any election. Alfred Charles, a vice president of Sequoia Voting Systems, which made the machines used in Nevada, says that if the receipts are done properly, listing only the candidates and referendum choices that the voter actually selects, length should not be a problem, and it is unlikely that even Los Angeles County would require anything like three-foot-long paper receipts.

Even if Nevada's approach - attaching printers to touch-screen machines - had failed, there would still be other ways to provide a paper record. Probably the best solution is the optical scan system used now in many jurisdictions, where voters mark paper ballots that are then read by computers. In optical scan systems, the paper ballots the voters fill out can be retained and used as a check against the machines' tallies.

Nevada has taken the lead on paper trails not only in its own elections, but also in Congress. Its senators - John Ensign, a Republican, and Harry Reid, a Democrat - have co-sponsored the bipartisan Voting Integrity and Verification Act, one of a number of pending bills that would require that all electronic voting machines produce voter-verifiable paper trails. Congress should pass such legislation right away so all Americans can have the same confidence in their elections as Nevadans now have.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: electronicvoting; napalminthemorning
Congress should pass such legislation right away so all Americans can have the same confidence in their elections as Nevadans now have.

Congress is Constitututionally prohibited from doing anything outside the scope of the Constitution. Other than that, it's not bad for the fatheaded "paper of record".

Now if they could reassure folks about the central tabulating gizmos that make the tallies for that Diebold system that's been sold already, they'll save everyone a lot of grief.

1 posted on 09/17/2004 11:12:13 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Joe Brower

ping


2 posted on 09/17/2004 11:12:46 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

the same people would cry bloody murder if a national voter ID requirement were passed by congress "so all americans can have the same confidence in their elections."


3 posted on 09/17/2004 11:15:23 PM PDT by flashbunny (When RINOs plead for unity, it's so they can sabotage the republican party in peace.)
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To: neverdem
Apparently the lack of paper receipts is a big issue. Some report that the electronic counting system actually has ties to US defense contractors. See #6 on this one list of the "Top Ten Unreported Stories of 2003-2004
4 posted on 09/17/2004 11:26:40 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Ares does not spare the good, but the bad.)
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To: neverdem
Optical scanners have an error rate of 3.3%

Touch screen systems have an error rate of 3.0%

Data Vote systems have an error rate of 3.2%

Punch Cards? They have an error rate of 2.5%

Read 'em and weep.

6 posted on 09/17/2004 11:29:43 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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To: neverdem

I just had a terrible thought. I wonder what would happen if a rumor leaked that Halburton was manufacturing all the electronic voting systems?


7 posted on 09/17/2004 11:30:22 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: neverdem

I think if you're too dumb to fill out a paper ballot correctly you don't need to be voting anyway. How informed can you be on the candidates if you can't even punch holes in a piece of paper or fill in a bubble correctly?

How about spending those millions of dollars on verifying whether the voter is legitimate and protecting the ballots from the Democrats before and after the voting.


8 posted on 09/17/2004 11:35:55 PM PDT by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: VeryPathetic

Pi$$ off, troll.


9 posted on 09/17/2004 11:36:31 PM PDT by clee1 (Islam is a deadly plague; liberalism is the AIDS virus that prevents us from defending ourselves.)
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To: Dumb_Ox
That sure is one biased piece. They are using for sources "All The President's Votes?" and "Will Bush Backers Manipulate Votes to Deliver GW Another Election?" Some of the others on the list are quite left-wing conspiratorial as well. Major agenda driven site.
10 posted on 09/18/2004 12:01:04 AM PDT by Dan Zachary
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To: Reagan is King
I'm from Nevada and I voted in the primary on the new touch screen system. It was very easy to read (a plus for seniors), and VERY easy to do. You automatically get a chance to review your votes, both on screen and on the paper reciept, before the vost is offically cast.

Maybe Nevadans are just used to touching buttons on a screen. This voting process was easier than playing a hand of video poker.

I think even FloriDUH voters could get this easily!

11 posted on 09/18/2004 3:13:48 AM PDT by PosterQue (How you vote tells people who you really are deep inside. - Zell Miller)
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To: CWOJackson

Now that post was a spraying skunk thrown into the middle of ladies' sunday school! LOL!


12 posted on 09/18/2004 5:51:49 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (The Democrats must be defeated in 2004)
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To: CWOJackson
"I just had a terrible thought. I wonder what would happen if a rumor leaked that Halburton was manufacturing all the electronic voting systems?"

It's much worse: Diebold is making them--among others.

13 posted on 09/18/2004 9:00:10 AM PDT by boris (The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
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To: PosterQue
Maybe Nevadans are just used to touching buttons on a screen.

I used to live in Vegas and I touched way too many screens, lol. Great town though. Are you in Vegas?

I agree the touchscreens may simplify things, I just know the Dems will be trying to figure out how to commit voter fraud with them as soon as they can. At least it has a paper backup for audits, that helps.

14 posted on 09/18/2004 9:12:14 AM PDT by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: fat city

Do you have a source for your numbers?


15 posted on 09/20/2004 8:03:01 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: hripka
I originally found the numbers somewhere else but you can read them here:

Neil Boortz

16 posted on 09/20/2004 1:45:16 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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