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ABC NEWS v. SWIFTBOAT VETS
DRUDGE REPORT, ABC News ^ | 9/17/04 | tucker39

Posted on 09/17/2004 7:49:30 PM PDT by Tucker39

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To: Casloy
Since other media outlets are doing the same thing to MOVEON.ORG it's probably better to let it go.

Right. Earlier in the year, MOVEON.ORG tried to air an ad with President Bush appearing on Meet The Press, and NBC wasn't too happy about it and told the goons at MOVEON to take the Meet The Press footage out. The whole ad ended up being scrapped because the entire 30 seconds was bits and pieces of soundbytes MOVEON wanted to impugn President Bush with his own words.

61 posted on 09/18/2004 3:55:26 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: ASA Vet

ROTFL!!!!!!


62 posted on 09/18/2004 4:44:03 AM PDT by jigsaw (At least two-thirds of CBS is BS.)
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To: optimistically_conservative

U.S.C. TITLE 17 - COPYRIGHTS CHAPTER 1 - SUBJECT MATTER AND SCOPE OF COPYRIGHT
§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include -

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;
(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.


63 posted on 09/18/2004 5:10:44 AM PDT by kycountryboy
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To: Graymatter
I don't think it is necessary to understand the distinction between medals and ribbons. That is not the point. Kerry is shown using Clintonian parsing of words, i.e., It depends on what the meaning of "is" is. Caught in a lie, Kerry said clearly in 1971 that he threw away his medals (not ribbons), but in 2004 he says that medals and ribbons are interchangeable. Like Clinton, Kerry can change the meaning of words to fit his story.

It is a powerful ad, which is why the Dems and ABC want to stop its airing. This is the second ad concerning Kerry throwing away his medals and his attacks against American symbols. I predict that there will be a third ad showing that Kerry really did throw away his medals in 1971 and that he was lying on GMA. Kerry not only requested new medal citations in 1985, but also, new medals.

The SBVFT 30 second ads need to be viewed as a mosaic or part of whole story that needs to be told. Their effectiveness should be judged in their totality rather than as individual ads. Stay tuned.

64 posted on 09/18/2004 5:21:00 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Maybe someone already mentioned this, but I didn't hear ABC complaining about "Outfoxed" using edited clips from Fox News without permission.


65 posted on 09/18/2004 5:23:34 AM PDT by awakeandaware
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To: Casloy
"They have a right to protect the video they shoot from being used for partisan purposes."

I've worked in television for about 18 years, mostly in commercial production, and I'm certain the Swifties haven't done anything wrong. Once ABC "broadcast" the video it's pretty much "fair game". We always see campaigns use the opponents owns spots against them, so I see no difference with a news broadcast. I don't think it's an issue of "partisan purposes", but an issue of "use for profit"
66 posted on 09/18/2004 5:28:37 AM PDT by kycountryboy
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To: kycountryboy

If you want to use footage from any of the networks in any form of documentary aren't you required to pay them for it? I thought anything a network broadcast was immediately copyright material. I am fairly certain you have to ask their permission to use it. Furthermore, I do know another network successfully stopped MOVEON.ORG from using their footage.


67 posted on 09/18/2004 5:49:31 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: Boundless
I half suspect that the slightly choppy editing was intentional, to provoke the Kerry camp into addressing the matter...

I can see the DU crowd running to the transcripts and being disappointed.

68 posted on 09/18/2004 5:52:03 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: Casloy
I've always been under the impression that the copyright is for purposes of preventing others from profiting from the material. We have always used the "9 second rule", that is, use no more than a 9 second clip of another's running video. And that could be an undocumented rule itself!

One would think that Michael Moore would have tested any & all copyright rules with his "crapumentery"!
69 posted on 09/18/2004 6:04:54 AM PDT by kycountryboy
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To: kycountryboy

I do know if you are making a documentary you can call any of the networks and buy footage from them. I am not sure if they charge for the footage or for it's use, or if they can prohibit certain uses. It's an ineresting question. On the other hand, it's hard to believe a network would tell a campaign they CAN'T use footage if they weren't within their legal rights. They certainly have enough lawyers.


70 posted on 09/18/2004 6:10:19 AM PDT by Casloy
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To: Retief

Don't copyrights expire after 20 years or something. I know that songs are used in commercials all the time and after some period of time the copyright on the song expires and they move into the public domain. At that point the song can be used by anyone without paying for it's use.


71 posted on 09/18/2004 6:36:18 AM PDT by Flint
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To: OhMike

"I'm starting to think these Swiftvets are strategic geniuses. No wonder they've gotten so much out of their relatively-modest budget. They seem to have mastered the art of getting leverage for their stories by using the MSM as a fulcrum.

Sure, go ahead, ABC, make a controversy out of this. By the time ABC gets an injunction to make the Swiftees stop using the footage, the publicity the ad will get from the effort to silence them will be worth millions.

Swiftees, you are patriots. Stand and deliver."

It doesn't cost alot of money to tell the truth. But it costs a fortune to manufacture lies and try to cover them up.

Moveon and the other Socialists that dupport the DNC are spending millions to manufacture lies and pay off the people that will cover for them. The Swifties are producing simple commercials telling the truth.



72 posted on 09/18/2004 6:49:57 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Control the information given to society and you control society.)
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To: hawkiye

Yes. John O'Neill is a very smart lawyer. He clerked for Justice Rehnquist.

"Law School: University of Texas, J.D., summa cum laude, 1973

College: United States Naval Academy, B.S., cum laude, 1967

Biography: Law Clerk to Justice William H. Rehnquist, U.S. Supreme Court, 1974-1975."


73 posted on 09/18/2004 7:04:41 AM PDT by Niks
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Kerry can't deal with ANY of the facts because they chaneg everytime! John O'Neill knows Kerry very well, and that's why he knows how to get to him with the Swiftees killer ads!

FReepers are key in getting the word out about the Swiftees who are EXPOSING KERRY'S FRAUD!

These Swiftee window stickers get the word out to the driving public and displays your public support for the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth! It even displays their website address!

Swiftee window sticker thread! Freep mail for details on how to get yours!

74 posted on 09/18/2004 7:12:26 AM PDT by Chieftain (Support the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and expose Hanoi John's FRAUD!)
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To: CurlyDave

I would tend to think this falls under "fair use" too. However I'm more knowledgable of a software/literary copyright and am aware that broadcast and rebroadcast of video and recordings follow some pretty complex rules. So who knows.


75 posted on 09/18/2004 7:16:14 AM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1 (Lock-n-load!)
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To: austinaero
I was hoping for something a bit more hard-hitting like, showing his picture as a hero in the North Vietnamese museum

Patience, gotta save something for October.

76 posted on 09/18/2004 8:07:00 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: xzins
In other words, they don't own the airwaves.

No they don't, but they own the images sent out. They are copyrighted. Just like something that appears in a newspaper. However there is the same exemption for quoting copyrighted material that applies right on FR. For purposes of public discussion you can quote excerpts, even if the source objects. You cannot post entire works, if the copyright owner objects.

In this case I'd say that the SwiftVets did the video equivalent of posting excerpts.

As a counter charge all it would take it to find a Soros type 527 ad that uses ABC source material, and ask ABC whey they didn't object to that.

77 posted on 09/18/2004 8:21:44 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Boundless
The Swifties are playing chess too,

Three dimensional chess I'd say.

78 posted on 09/18/2004 8:25:10 AM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Tucker39

NEW Swift Boats Ad

http://swift3.he.net/~swift3/dazed.wmv

http://www.swiftvets.com/

JOHN KERRY
CLICK HERE TO SIGN FORM 180
http://www.archives.gov/research_room/vetrecs/index.html
WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?
WHAT IS YOUR SECRET?
WHAT DON'T YOU WANT
AMERICA AND THE PRESS TO KNOW?

BUSH WAS NOT AFRAID TO SIGN FORM 180

BUT HE'S A MAN AND YOU ARE A TRAITOR AND A COWARD!

KERRY'S ONLY POSITION
THAT HE HAS NEVER
FLIP FLOPED ON
TRAITOR THEN
TRAITOR NOW

READ THIS INTERVIEW THAT KERRY GAVE in 1970
KERRY GAVE AID AND COMFORT TO THE VIET CONG

Harvard Crimson : Kerry refused order to destroy Viet Cong village

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=352185

Published on Wednesday, February 18, 1970
John Kerry: A Navy Dove Runs for Congress

By SAMUEL Z. GOLDHABER

Crimson Staff Writer

"...One time Kerry was ordered to destroy a Viet Cong village
but disobeyed orders and suggested that the Navy Command
simply send in a Psychological Warfare team to be
friend the villagers with food, hospital supplies,
and better educational facilities."

John F. Kerry
Timeline of a traitor.
Click Here

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

*******ALSO*******

C SPAN 9/12/04 :1000's of Vietnam Veterans for the Truth March in DC

(Followed by "protest" with 6 vets for Kerry LOL)

Will Repeat on C SPAN Check Listings

2 hours and 52 minutes of video

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04091204_bushvets.rm

Copy and Paste in Real Player




How to get a DVD or VHS copy for $39.95.
http://www.c-spanstore.org/cgi-bin/cspanstore/183440-1.html?id=eaduJxA4

Vietnam Veterans Rally
Program ID: 183440-1
Format: Rally
Event Date: 9-12-2004
Location: Washington, District of Columbia, (United States)
Last Airing Date: 9-13-2004
Length: 2 hours, 52 minutes

Sponsor(s):
Vietnam Vets for the Truth

Appearances by:
Armstrong, Laura Daughter
Bailey, Larry President - Vietnam Vets for the Truth
Burkett, B. G. Author
Carney, James "Moby" Talk Show Host
Crowley, Carol Daughter
Garlock, Terry Veteran
Lehtinen, Dexter Member - Vietnam Vets for the Truth
Newby, Claude Veteran
O'Neill, John E. Spokesman - Swift Boat Veterans for Truth
Rodriguez, Felix Agent - Central Intelligence Agency - Contra Resupply
Rowe, Donna Nurse
Warner, Jim Prisoner of War

Summary:
Speakers criticized Kerry's actions during and after the Vietnam War.


79 posted on 09/18/2004 9:10:38 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: Tucker39

Welcome to Free Republic


80 posted on 09/18/2004 9:23:54 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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