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Americans reveal Russian MiGs in Venezuela
LENTY.RU ^ | September 17th, 2004

Posted on 09/17/2004 10:21:22 AM PDT by struwwelpeter

15:21 2004-09-17

American military intelligence confirms that the Venezuelan ministry of defense has several new MiG-29 fighters. The MiG-29s for now located on one of the bases in the region of Lake Maracaibo. The fighters periodically perform training flights in the region of Curacao island in the Caribbean sea, where they were detected by the American military. Information about Venezuela's MiG-29s was also confirmed by representatives of the Columbian ministry of defence.

The purchase of Russian fighters, according to the American military, is part of a long-term plan by the Venezuelan ministry of defense to upgrade their air forces. Venezuela plans to buy about 50 Russian MiG-29 fighters in various modifications, with 40 single-seat and 10 dual-seat models. Venezuela plans to spend about 5 billion dollars for the Russian fighters, including missiles and special aviation and airfield equipment.

Until recently the only MiG-29s in Latin America were used by Peru and Cuba. Cuba only has six MiG-29s.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: latinamerica; mig; napalminthemorning; russia; venezuela
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To: struwwelpeter

You're welcome. :)


61 posted on 09/17/2004 2:15:31 PM PDT by demlosers (The FreeRepublic Pajama Press!)
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To: piasa; struwwelpeter

Thank you for the ping and the post!


62 posted on 09/17/2004 2:17:01 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: struwwelpeter
Our Martin-Baker ejection system at altitudes below 2000 feet or at speeds above 500 knots was a death sentence

"was" is correct, the Aces-II and new MB egress systems are all zero zero capable (and have been for many years).

63 posted on 09/17/2004 3:38:34 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: struwwelpeter

BTTT


64 posted on 09/17/2004 3:58:44 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things." -Dan Rather)
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To: pepsionice

Anybody wanna bet that Ivan has arms salesmen in the neighboring countries selling state of the art Surface to air Missiles & radar controlled triple A. (anti-aircraft artilery)


65 posted on 09/17/2004 4:24:39 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (Here's to Abdul seeing the light ,preferably from a 20 megaton nuke up close & personal)
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred

Lawn Darts anyone?


66 posted on 09/17/2004 4:28:52 PM PDT by SwampFoxOfVa
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To: ScreamingFist

These SA countries can't afford to properly train good pilot's, much less keep the aircraft fully operational. Venezuela had a Lockheed Martin C-130 simulator that was inoperable because they destroyed all the software for it. Unless the have full outside maintenance and pilot training, they will have junk in just a matter of a few years. These countries don't have the people with the technical knowledge to keep it operating. They may have money, but they sure won't spend it on parts or training.


67 posted on 09/17/2004 6:23:09 PM PDT by herkbird (PETA, if you don't eat the Gator, the Gator will gladly eat you...)
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To: xrp

They will watch "El Presidente" fly over military parades as a proper "Banana Republic" dictator.


68 posted on 09/17/2004 6:53:01 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: ASA Vet
"That worked for the North Vietnamese in the 60's."....

Libya in the 80's, N. Korea in the 50's, Syria and Egypt in the 60' & 70's......
69 posted on 09/17/2004 7:37:21 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: cake_crumb

Oil Money....misunderstanding, targets, I mean MIGs are the last thing they need to buy to help their people.


70 posted on 09/17/2004 8:46:43 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: eastforker

Well Venezuela may not have lots of competent pilots,but countries like India & China sure do,given their recent emphasis on logistics modernisation.India which uses Israeli as well as French subsystems on it's Russian weapons,is not a threat to the US-so no need to worry about them,but China is.When the EU lifts it's arms embargo on China in a year or 2,u will see scores of British,French & Italian companies line up to upgrade Chinese aircraft,ships,missiles etc.


71 posted on 09/17/2004 8:55:42 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: struwwelpeter

However, if they are in the air I believe we can locate them before they get into range and take them out. It's what we did with Iraq in 91. I am not a even remotely an expert (or even an amateur) in aircraft weapons technology, but since we have had access to the Mig-29 technology for years I have to believe we have countermeasures. I acknowledge they could be used against their neighbors, but I doubt they needed MIGs to do that.


72 posted on 09/17/2004 9:28:25 PM PDT by Casloy
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To: CDHart

What's she doing going to a foreign country while there is still anyone in THIS country who might benefit from her volunteer work?


73 posted on 09/17/2004 10:48:45 PM PDT by fire_eye (Socialism is the opiate of academia.)
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To: fire_eye
Good question. She's always been interested in South America, and this seems like a good opportunity to see some of it.

Carolyn

74 posted on 09/18/2004 4:40:19 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: Calpernia; Alabama MOM; jerseygirl; DAVEY CROCKETT

ping


75 posted on 09/18/2004 5:24:28 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
"Venezuela plans to buy about 50 Russian MiG-29 fighters in various modifications, with 40 single-seat and 10 dual-seat models. Venezuela plans to spend about 5 billion dollars for the Russian fighters, including missiles and special aviation and airfield equipment."

$5 billion for 50 fighters ? I told you that Russian equipment became very expensive. Is close range still a problem in modernized versions of MIGs-29 ?
76 posted on 09/18/2004 6:38:29 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: struwwelpeter

these things are Sidewinder bait. If we decide to take on Chavez, those planes will be the first to go. A couple of Tomahawks at 3 AM would make short work of a Mig 29 base.


77 posted on 09/18/2004 6:54:09 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (The first rule of gunfighting is to have a gun...more than one, if possible..)
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To: Grzegorz 246

I don't think the 5 billion is for the fighters itself(u could get 80 F-15Es+ their weaponry for that).The report as u urself might have seen ,is pretty ambigious on the specifics.It says airfield equipment etc,so I think they are improving their logistical capabilities,which is not exactly cheap.

Did you mean the short range of the earlier Mig-29 or it's poor radar system.The Mig-29SMT ,which is the multi-role variant of the Mig-29 has larger internal fuel tanks & besides it can be refuelled in midair.Malaysian & Indian Mig-29s carry new 'Phazatron' radars & have the ability to fire the AA-12 ADDER missile(rated to be analogous to the US AMRAAM)-so that somewhat sorts out the long range capability.Moreover India can integrate it's Mig-29s to the Phalcon AWACS system it is getting from Israel,making it far more potent.About the Mig-29s that Poland is getting, I think the Germans did a lot of modifying themselves.The Poles can team up with the Israelis to enable it to launch the Python-4 or Derby AAMs or integrate the AMRAAM itself.


78 posted on 09/18/2004 6:59:19 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: struwwelpeter; ValerieUSA; blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Venezuela is a big supplier of US oil. It's also smack up against Columbia, which has been coming apart due to the Medellin drug cartel and their de facto allies, the leftist guerrilas. The US needs two things:
  1. a new regime in Cuba (plllt! problem solved)
  2. a popular uprising against Chavez, to avoid using US troops (except as a peacekeeping force)
[singing] "Ti-i-i-ime, is on our side, yes it is."
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent
NOT A PING LIST, merely posted to:

79 posted on 09/18/2004 10:07:30 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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80 posted on 09/18/2004 10:21:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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