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To: ELS

What's your thought on the Church's pragmatic approach to Non-Negotiables?

I'm not impressed.


2 posted on 09/17/2004 9:50:12 AM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5
What's your thought on the Church's pragmatic approach to Non-Negotiables?

Political correctness invades the Church. The smoke of Satan has entered the building.

Part of the problem is that the Church, for the most part, took a 35-40 year hiatus from speaking the truth "in season and out of season." So, to do that now would seem "harsh" to minds that aren't used to it.

Where are today's saints who can speak eloquently, movingly, and charitably to move hearts and minds to the right perspective? St. John Chrysostom? St. Anthony of Padua? Where are your brothers of today?

11 posted on 09/17/2004 10:54:20 AM PDT by ELS
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To: Askel5
What's your thought on the Church's pragmatic approach to Non-Negotiables?

The points you make in your other post are incongruent with the responsibility we have as Catholics to teach and spread the faith.

Ratzinger offered a clear direction that was co-opted by liberals, and yet you seem to blame him for the misquote. Homosexuals misquote Christ all the time, to justify their goals, and you don't blame Christ!

I think the explanation of proximate reason is correct. If I had two candidates supporting the Death Penalty the reasoning would be similar, if I have two baby-killers for the same office I could pick one, but it wasn't mentioned, I could also pick neither.

What I should not do is hide my head in the sand, wring my hands and whine that the Church is not making a good response. If they don't, we are the faithful, and we should. It is our job as Catholics and as Christians to speak for the helpless, and stand up to defend them. No Bishop, no Prelate, nor would any Priest stop us from going out and supporting the candidate more in line with Church teaching.

It is clear from Archbishop Myers that he thinks there is no proximate reason to support Kerry over Bush. I think that he would not say those supporting Kerry are not Catholic, but, I know first-hand that some catholic (little c) Kerry supporters have been approached in my area (one in the Church parking lot) and asked the question, "what the hell are you doing?!?" I agree with some of my pro-life bretheren, Bush is not perfectly Pro-life either, however, he is a lot closer to a moral position than Kerry any day of the week.

Back to the Archbishops article. It shows what needs to be shown. Clearly it explodes the misuse of the comments by Cardinal Ratzinger to morally justify voting for Kerry because of proximate reason. There is no justification by the Church for Kerry, and Archbishop Myers clearly shows it. Paradoxically, in our free society we discourage a Church from endorsing a candidate, and although no Church has ever been prosecuted understandably the Archbishop doesn't endorse Bush publicly.

We live in a free society. Catholics are still "free" to vote, but only at their own peril. Under those conditions they are also free to visit prostitutes, attend satanic rituals, and gay bars, but if they do, they are going to at the peril of their own souls. We can't handcuff a Catholic for being immoral, but we can make it abundantly clear that these behaviors are all in the same category.
26 posted on 09/23/2004 6:20:46 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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