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To: texasflower
"So I understand if you just can't control yourself and feel the need to further bash me."

You can dish out the name-calling and personal attacks, but you can't take it. Some 'Texan' you are.

Out of control illegal and legal immigration, in this country, is the linch pin of all other Conservative issues.

It is the driving force causing all of the problems facing our Nation to spiral out of control and reach critical mass.

Overcrowding in communities and their associated schools,

-water shortages,

-hospital closings,

-50% increase in Gang Crime-Nationlly-in the last 3 years,

-traffic congestion,

-deterioration of critical infrastructure,

-air and water pollution,

-deforestation,

-burgeoning social programs,

-our Nation's combined federal, state, local, corporate and personal debt is approaching $50 TRILLION DOLLARS!!! with no end in sight.

-44 million income tax return filers, last year alone, paid NO NET INCOME TAXES!!! They received full refunds and many of them received EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT CHECKS TOTALLING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS from other U.S. Taxpayers.

This is why a discussion of out of control illegal and legal immigration can and should be woven into almost every thread here on Free Republic.

How can you be so blind as to not see this?

188 posted on 09/18/2004 5:55:42 AM PDT by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: 4Freedom
RE: Out of control illegal and legal immigration, in this country, is the linch pin of all other Conservative issues.

It should be, but..

Many conservatives are not going to chance puncturing the "housing bubble" and damage their wealth -- or political careers. "How I stopped worrying about ILLEGAL immigration and learned to love my equity."

I bet that is true. You see, "cheap" labor is just one "benefit" of all forms of unhindered, endless immigration -- including ILLEGAL immigration -- they all can purchase homes here.

Would you believe, it's what's keeping the real estate market going. This American Land Title Association article ("Foreign-born add market support from the ground up," by Steve Kropper) says

"Immigration is the key driver of primary housing demand in the United States and explains why home prices aren't headed toward a fall. The flood of immigration is untouched and continues unabated. Immigrants keep the housing market flush with first-time buyers, who come in at the bottom and support the market as they move up the housing ladder. Immigrants comprise roughly 11 percent of all resale home transactions."

http://www.alta.org/indynews/news.cfm?newsID=828

Third time I've posted this and for the third time I ask everyone, Are there attributions that refute this?

Additnoal costs to our Republic (from Mexico alone, 1/2 of the total ILLEGAL immigration), e.g., EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT, are documented at

www.cis.org/articles/2001/mexico/means.html

Also see, "Barriers to Latino Home Buying," LA Times 09/15/04 by Kathleen Hennessey

(see thread link, below)

For some unknown reason a couple of Freepers denied that ILLEGALS purchasing homes is covered in this article though it clearly is covered. I posted the excerpts from the article in the thread at

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1217120/posts

You mentioned name calling. For some strange reason we who mention these things about ILLEGAL immigration are sometimes called racists and bigots -- and promply denounced by some of those folks as America's "trailer park culture" -- and worse as you pointed out. Go figure.

189 posted on 09/18/2004 6:54:41 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: 4Freedom
I posted on this thread in response to the original poster whining about a "law abiding citizen" being harassed by the FBI.

The guys were NOT law abiding citizens. One of them at least had a criminal history. Probably both.

Regardless of history, when they refused to stop they broke the law. When they threatened the FBI with a shoot out they broke the law.

They are not law abiding citizens. The attempt by you guys to make them out to be victims of the big bad police men is ridiculous.

You don't have credibility with me when you try to pawn off such a silly thing.

I don't deny that there is an immigration problem.

Don't bother me with more statistics. I was married to a Border Patrol Agent, who I still talk to regularly. I probably have some insight that you don't have.

I am not unbiased. My ex husband and best friend has put himself at risk for many years, but you people couldn't care less about the risk that the Border Patrol takes each and every day.

All you want to do is bad mouth them. I am sick and tired of it.

It wouldn't be so bad if you people managed normal conversations. But it isn't like that.

I have found the immigration group to be a mean and intolerant group of people. Not just in this matter, but in others.

Call it a personality conflict or whatever you want, but I truly dislike the personalities that I see in the most rabid of your group.

Just like I said in my last post.

You say I can dish out the name calling, but can't take it?

I have been taking it for the last 20 hours or so. I have gotten tons of freepmails on this topic.

Each one is more hateful than the last and YOU JUST CAN'T LET IT GO.

Look what you did. I knew you couldn't stand not post this garbage to me again. I am surprised it took you so long.

What is the purpose of this? Honestly, what are you hoping to accomplish?

What do your buddies hope to accomplish by sending me message after message?

I don't like you. Is that really so hard to accept?

Your "cause" is lost on me because you don't support those who are on the front lines.

I have had unbelievably hateful things said to me over the past year just because my ex is an agent.

I have found that most of you are extremists with a powerful streak of self righteousness and selfishness.

I have found most of you to have an overinflated sense of their own importance and an overblown sense of the importance of their "cause".

Just like you blaming EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY ON IMMIGRATION.

That is not true. It's just not true.

(PLEASE spare me another rambling account of what YOU think the problems are. )

Now for that nasty "some Texan you are" remark....

I am far tougher than you could imagine. I was born and raised here and I have experiences than you probably could never imagine.

A real Texan doesn't stand for bulls**t and I don't intend to stand for yours. A Texas woman is even harder to pass BS off on. That would be me.

I'm not interested in being your friend nor am I interested in continuing to let you try to bully me into accepting your "cause" as the most important thing on the planet.

What part of don't mess with Texas don't you understand?
190 posted on 09/18/2004 7:11:43 AM PDT by texasflower (How appropriate...... the pro abortion party is the "D 'N' C")
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