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Entertainer Wynonna Judd To Sing On Homosexual Cruise (Doesn't she profess to be a Christian?)
Traditional Values Coalition ^ | September 16, 2004 | Traditional Values Coalition

Posted on 09/16/2004 7:26:44 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

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To: Sola Veritas

"Anarchists are an extreme form of libertarians."

Not really. Libertarians believe VERY strongly in individual freedoms and accountability. While there are lefty issues we agree with (eg. gay rights) there are many that we don't agree with (eg. we're hardcore capitalists, anti-socialist, anti-big government, anti-tax, very pro-gun rights, etc.). The issue of abortion is "technically" also something Libertarians support, but in reality I found that there's a 50-50 split on this issue.

In a nutshell I would say Libertarians are socially liberal but conservative on everything else.


41 posted on 09/16/2004 7:59:49 PM PDT by Trippin
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The cruise's theme song...
(To the tune of 'The Love Boat Theme')

Lesbian love ... exciting and new...
Come aboard ... we'l be converting you...

Lesbian Love ... life's sweetest reward.
Let it flow ... it floats back to you.

The Lez Bo-o-o-o-o-o-at soon will be making another run
The Lez Bo-o-o-o-o-o-at promises something for everyone
Set a course for sapphic adventure,
Your mind on an alternative romance.

Lez Love ... won't hurt anymore
It's an open smile on a friendly shore.
Yes Looooooove! It's Looooooove


43 posted on 09/16/2004 8:03:45 PM PDT by Stag (Kerry, Lenin, Chirac - which one doesn't belong? Kerry. The others love their country.)
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To: Stag
Homo we go
Lesbian our way
44 posted on 09/16/2004 8:05:24 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Sola Veritas

Well, I'm not exactly a libertarian, though I lean strongly that way.

However, I think it would be fair to say that individual freedom and personal liberty are pretty close to the foundations of libertarianism. I would suppose that conservatives and libertarians share this philosophy, though some posts here on FR make me wonder.

Actually, my opinion is that libertarians are merely one form of conservatives, considering that individual freedom and personal liberty are also the foundations of the USA.

I imagine the conflict comes in with different understandings on what the rules of conduct, ethics or laws that regulate "morality" should be. Libertarians tend to oppose laws that forbid "victimless" crimes, while "conservatives" tend to argue that many of those "victimless" crimes are in fact not victimless.

As far as Miss Judd singing on a lesbian cruise goes, I am OK with her doing that, although the idea seems a little comical. However, even though I am not very religious, IMO the point is well taken that the Bible, the Torah, etc. all condemn homosexuality in the strongest possible terms.


45 posted on 09/16/2004 8:09:21 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: adamj
Your homophobic title smears good Christians who don't mock people for being different.. don't lump me in with your hate, thank you.

Funny, it's you who sound like you are full of hate and intolerance. A Bible believing Christian believes that homosexuality is a sin. Jesus did not come to condemn sinners but to save them. Endorsing someone in sin is hatred in the highest degree especially if it to gain popularity, power or money. A person in sin desperately, desperately needs for someone to care about them enough to warn them as to the disastrous path they are on. The path of embracing sin leads directly into misery and ultimate eternal damnation in hell. The good news is that God is willing to forgive us of our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. The truth will set us free from being a slave to sin (any sin and all sin). The power of the Holy Spirit can liberate us. God is The POWER and is able to do anything good that we will trust him for but we must admit our sin and turn to Christ to save us and empower us to live for him. Christ died on the cross a horrible death so that we might be forgiven. He gave everything for us and all that we can do is accept him and what he did for us.

46 posted on 09/16/2004 8:16:24 PM PDT by Bellflower
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I never did much care for Wynonna and her sister and her scary looking mother before, and now this...
By the way, on a lesbian cruise when the ship is taking water, do they announce: "Man the lifeboats" or what?


47 posted on 09/16/2004 8:20:07 PM PDT by vox_freedom (Vote, and vote again.)
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To: adamj

You only follow the parts of the Bible that you agree with doncha? Good Christians don't mock God's laws that forbid homosexuality. You sound like a liberal.


48 posted on 09/16/2004 8:37:27 PM PDT by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: kezekiel
I know that the Bible had no verses in which Christ did show tunes with adulterers or murderers. He did, however, physically throw the money lenders from the temple.

The "who are you to judge" refrain is simply an excuse to ignore Biblical teachings. Am I prefect? Of course not. I struggle with sin. The difference is that I don;t run around telling society that my sin is virtue and expect the rest of the world to tell me how brave I am.

And quite frankly, the "bad press" from a media that embraces abortion, promiscuous sex and the dissolution of the family is a badge of honor.
49 posted on 09/16/2004 8:42:00 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: Trippin
Yes, but social liberalism destroys society. It is an irony that the modern welfare state that libertarians decry is dealing with the aftermath of their social liberalism.
50 posted on 09/16/2004 8:45:12 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: Trippin

By conservative I mean conserving traditional society. Libertarianism is simply the ideology of hedonism.


51 posted on 09/16/2004 8:48:16 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
I was about to say that we have bigger fish to fry. But looking at Wynonna I guess thats probably not true unless the fish really really big.

Still those who say this is something that is her business are correct. As for those of you decrying "social liberalism" I would ask exactly what you would do about this? Just curious.
52 posted on 09/16/2004 8:49:39 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: sandbar
And wasn't her sister out at the pro-murder rally a few months back?

Yes, Ashley was there. Lost my interest in her movies after that.

53 posted on 09/16/2004 8:50:53 PM PDT by conservative cat
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To: Artemis Webb
I suppose it would be crazy to simply not patronize her concerts or buy her albums? Or is that too complicated a strategy?
54 posted on 09/16/2004 8:51:25 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: dancusa

Good grief! Is that a mugshot or something?!


55 posted on 09/16/2004 8:52:32 PM PDT by Lurking2Long
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To: radicalamericannationalist
"social liberalism destroys society"

Well, if you are going to have freedom, you have to exercise personal responsibility. We must be a "virtuous people."

'Course one can always obtain a virtuous people by force, but then I'm not convinced it is really virtue, since there is no choice.

56 posted on 09/16/2004 8:58:39 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Good way to witness...I think. Jesus would have been the first one on that boat looking for sinners. He commanded us to bring his gospel to the world...even them.


57 posted on 09/16/2004 9:00:01 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: radicalamericannationalist
"Libertarianism is simply the ideology of hedonism."

My understanding is that while libertarianism allows hedonism, it is the philosophy of individual freedom.

58 posted on 09/16/2004 9:00:49 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
The "who are you to judge" refrain is simply an excuse to ignore Biblical teachings.

On the contrary, "judge not lest you be judged" is a Biblical teaching, one that we should not ignore in our zeal to separate the wheat from the chaff.

59 posted on 09/16/2004 9:00:49 PM PDT by kezekiel
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To: Awestruck
Hey...there's Awetruck/goodie d out to show his great Christian insight again. I have a statement and a question for you.

The statement is from the 7th chapter of Matthew, "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." Now for the question; Does the bible forbid association with sinners? Seems to me Jesus hung around with sinners constantly...heck...even sought them out. I seem to remember the pharisees being reallllllllly mad at him for hanging around with prostitutes and tax collectors. Just wondering.

Oh...I might as well add a thought of my own. That tired old, "You sound like a liberal" horses**t makes you look bad. You don't want to look bad do you? Naw, never mind, I'm sure when you look in the mirror you positively glow with righteous beauty.

60 posted on 09/16/2004 9:02:02 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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