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To: Luis Gonzalez
um, ok....

you lost me when you came up with the "Russians maybe staged this"....c'mon, you can do better than that. Next you'll tell me Bush staged 9-11 to pass the patriot act...(oops, sorry, thats an actual argument for some folks on the other board, sorry to offend)

and as for my being a liar about your support for the Chechens..hehe. Have you been reading your post? Good heavens man!

You've basically bent over backwards to use the tried and true "But he hit me first" argument.

Yes, Russian troops have committed atrocities. Besides Vodka and sodomy, it's one of their oldest traditions.

That still doesn't justify doing the same thing. Bin Laden killed innocents. So now I can feel justified when I hijack a plane and crash into a builing in Saudi Arabia killing 3,000 offfice workers and secretaries...."Hey, I didn't start it!"

If Russians commit savage acts and you want the world to know about it....

Document the atrocities. Publicize the atrocities. Prosecute the atrocities. Don't repeat the atrocities.

If Russians commit savage acts and you want revenge on the Russian Army.... Find the Russian Army, fight the Russian Army and kill them.

I just can't buy this logic..... Russians civilians get mad about Beslan (the atrocity) and then they get on busses in Chechnya and blow them up (sound familiar?)

How about this then? Russian civilians angry about Beslan atrocities blow up 2 planes full of Chechnyans at the same time over Chechnya...you know, crazy stuff like that.

The point I've tried to makes is :

1. Chechen terrorist were wrong to kill kids. If they want a fight, fight against fighters. Same goes for Russians, Pali's, and Mongolians.There's no way to say "They committed an outrage, an atrocity...The Russians killed kids, so now we get to kill kids......

2. It was actually a horrible blunder strategically.Talk about bad PR....

3. Russia, under Putin, will probably use this to become less New Russia, and more Old Soviet Union. I don't mean to get on you, but for Cripesake, have you really sat down and thought through your argument? Anyhow....wishing you all the best.........

79 posted on 09/16/2004 9:03:12 PM PDT by Will_Zurmacht
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To: Will_Zurmacht
Why?

You don't believe a government can murder its children?

Now, either put up a link of me being supportive of the Chechens or shut the hell up!

If you HAD a brain, you wouldn't mistake being critical of Putin with being supportive of Chechnya.

80 posted on 09/16/2004 9:06:13 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: Will_Zurmacht
"If Russians commit savage acts and you want the world to know about it...Document the atrocities. Publicize the atrocities. Prosecute the atrocities. Don't repeat the atrocities."

Well sh%t!

That's what I'M doing and you're accusing me of supporting terrorism!

83 posted on 09/16/2004 9:10:06 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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