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To: Will_Zurmacht

How would you have felt if you found out that Auschwitz escapees had taken revenge on Germans during WWII by killing innocent German citizens living near the camp?

Again...not taking the side of terrorists here, but would your opinion of their actions be tinted by what you know of Auschwitz?

And if they had, would you limit your criticism to the specific Jews who carried out the attacks, or would you paint all Jewish people with the same broad brush?


106 posted on 09/16/2004 9:35:21 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez ( Even Jane Fonda apologized. Will you, John?)
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To: exodus
britons

"Osama Bin Laden had links to the Chechen guerrillas thought to be behind the murder of three British telecoms workers, the BBC has learned.

The three men and a colleague from New Zealand were kidnapped and found beheaded in the strife-torn Russian republic in 1998.

The authorities believed the guerrilla gang responsible were led by Muslim fundamentalist warlord Arbi Barayev."

"Darren Hickey, 26, Rudi Petschi, 42, 46-year-old Peter Kennedy and New Zealander Stan Shaw, 58, were kidnapped in October 1998 while installing a telephone system in Chechnya.

The bodies of the men were found at the end of that December with speculation rife they had been beheaded as an act of defiance after a failed rescue attempt.

The engineers were installing a phone system Barayev had been negotiating a ransom with BT and Surrey-based Granger Telecom, the companies which employed the men.

But Mr Adukhov, tracked down by the Money Programme, said Barayev had told him that by killing them, he stood to receive "not $10m, but $30m" from "Arab friends".

Barayev is reported to have said: "We're waging holy war. And we're involved in big politics.

"We ourselves will answer for everything before Allah."

Barayev told Mr Adukhov money from kidnappings would be used to help the fundamentalist Islamic cause across the region."

113 posted on 09/16/2004 9:40:42 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Luis Gonzalez

an excellent argument!

In a perfect world, I suppose I should say that I would without a doubt prevent them from taking revenge on innocents. I would advise them to hold it for their true tormentors and not lash out in a haphazard way. A mob scene attacking a single farmer doesn't really do their suffering justice. Hunt down those responsible, I'm not a big fan of communal punishment, but I'm old fashioned that way........

But that is a perfect world scenario, to be honest, if I were a grunt who encounterd such a scene, freed Jews kicking the hell out of an innocent German farmer type ....I might be tempted to look away for a while and let him get a nice @ss kicking. No death, no kids, but a good old fashioned @ss kicking.

A curious dilema.....Assuming the people being attacked are "innocent" Germans ( how one defines this is debatable), there is no justification for killing them. The farmer didn't give the order, or follow the order, or fire the trigger.

Now, if the freed Jews stumbled onto a Waffen-SS officer, that's different....I really don't know how I would respond. I imagine I should behave in an orderly fashion, maintain order, etc.....but really who can blame them?


Thats essentially how I am with Chechnyans, Palestinians, etc. IF they want to fight, fight the enemy, not the enemy's kids. I'd have much more respect for "terrorist" who can control themselves, fight military units, not harm the civillians, etc.


121 posted on 09/16/2004 9:48:39 PM PDT by Will_Zurmacht
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