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The terrorists are our sons (Translation in reply #17)
Stern ^ | September, 15th, 2004 | Abdel Rahman al-Rashid

Posted on 09/16/2004 11:47:16 AM PDT by STFrancis

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To: STFrancis
My translation of the first paragraph:

Nicht alle Muslime sind Terroristen. Fest steht aber auch: Fast alle Terroristen sind Muslime. Das einzugestehen ist sehr betrüblich. Die Geiselnehmer von Beslan: Muslime. Die Entführer und Mörder der nepalesischen Köche und Arbeiter im Irak: Muslime. Die Reiterbanden, die in Darfur vergewaltigen und morden: Muslime wie ihre Opfer. Die beiden Frauen, die in Russland zwei Flugzeuge zum Absturz brachten: Muslime.

It should be stated strongly - not all Muslims are terrorists. But this also should be stated strongly: almost all terrorists are Muslims. This is assuredly very sad. The hostagetakers of Beslan: Muslims. The kidnappers and murders of Nepalese cooks and workers in Iraq: Muslims. The bandits which engage in violence and murder in Darfur: Muslims like their victims. Both the women who brought down two planes in Russia: Muslims.

21 posted on 09/16/2004 12:02:11 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: truth_seeker
"Bin Laden ist ein Muslim. Die Mehrheit derer, die in den letzten zehn Jahren Selbstmordattentate auf Busse, Schulen, Wohnhäuser und andere Gebäude überall auf der Welt verübten - sie bestand aus Anhängern des Islam. Was für eine schreckliche Bilanz! Sagt sie uns nicht etwas über uns selbst, unsere Gesellschaft und unsere Kultur? "

Bin Laden is a Muslim. {A laundry list of events - presumably atrocities all over the world} that stand at the hands of Islam. Was a disgusting "Bilanz" (balance?). You can't say this was for ourselves, our Religion and our culture! "

22 posted on 09/16/2004 12:02:12 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: truth_seeker

all I know is "Bist Du Schvul?"


23 posted on 09/16/2004 12:02:22 PM PDT by Awestruck (The artist formerly known as Goodie D)
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To: Repairman Jack

I was in A&P school (aircraft mechanic) with a German who used to say "SCHIESS!" (SP?) a lot.


24 posted on 09/16/2004 12:03:04 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: wideawake

Thank you. Your German is much, much better than mine.


25 posted on 09/16/2004 12:03:10 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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Scheisse!


26 posted on 09/16/2004 12:03:13 PM PDT by Legion04
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To: BenLurkin

ein, zwei, gezuffa.


27 posted on 09/16/2004 12:04:11 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedeict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: STFrancis

"Die terrorists are our Soehne" On the television radiated: Iraqi geiselnehmer present a Filipino and threaten with its execution Abdel Rahman aluminium-Rashid, director of the television station aluminium Arabiya, accounts for: with Islamic terror and the silence of the Arab world. Stands firmly: Not all Muslims are terrorists. Stands in addition, firmly: Nearly all terrorists are Muslims. To admit is very betrueblich. The geiselnehmer of Beslan: Muslims. The kidnappers and murderers of the Nepalese cooks and workers in the Iraq: Muslims. The rider gangs, those in Darfur rape and murders: Muslims like their victims. The two women, who brought two airplanes in Russia to the crash: Muslims. Are shop is a Muslim. The majority of those, which committed suicide assassination attempts in the last ten years on penalty, schools, houses and other buildings everywhere in the world - them consisted Islam of trailers. Which for a terrible balance! Doesn't she say somewhat about us, our society and our culture to us? Shaming and entwuerdigend whether one regards her in her whole or everyone for itself: These pictures are cruelly, shaming and entwuerdigend for us Muslims. Which they show, really happened. We should place ourselves to this reality, instead of hiding us before these pictures or to justify and like so often swear to in probably-sounding texts and lectures our large historical achievements them. Abdel Rahman aluminium-Rashid, director of the TV transmitter aluminium Arabiya it would be an easy, us to couriers, if we would only recognize that we live in an ill society. This self realization would be the first step for improvement. The terrorists are our sons. Our mutilated culture made it, what they are. It is because of us to stop it. Listens to you exactly, what has to say Jusuf aluminium-Qaradawi, the television sheikh of the transmitter aluminium Jazeera. In all public explains he, the Islamic right permits it to kill US civilians in the Iraq. A religion scholar calls to the murder at civilians! At the end of his life this sheikh Kinder stimulates to the murder at civilians - while two of its daughters in the safe Great Britain follow to their studies at the same time, in the united kingdom of the disbelieving ones. How would a father know like it the nut/mother of the young ever nods mountain opposite-steps, whose son was cut through like an animal the throat, because he came into the Iraq, in order to repair radio masts? How can we believe such to a sheikh, if he announces us, who is Islam a religion of the grace and assigning, and him nevertheless into a religion of the blood pouring operates? In former times, before this age of the extremists, we regarded radicals among us whether link or nationalists, always as root of social corruption, because their ideologies formed the basis of the force and them to murders on the light shoulder took. At that time the mosque was still another place of the protection and the refuge. The religion scholars told of the peace, and in their lectures it concerned noble moral values. Verunstaltung of a blameless religion it is a new kind of Muslims, who our religion verunstaltete. A blameless religion - one sees already to the fact that our writings forbid even unnecessary falling of trees; the murder as the worst of all crimes describe; that condemn, which zertritt a small insect negligently, and which promise reward, which gives to drink a thirsty cat. That is the Islam, as we could do it - before the Islamics with their groups of prayers and programs came along and teachers, who brought political groupings under their influence, the religion disfigured and the people the understanding in disorder brought. It been enough the pupils and journalists as hostages do not take to us in the honour that we are brought now Muslims with people in connection, who kill civilians and into air hunts penalty - completely directly, which may have been done for wrong this Raechern with explosive belts themselves. These people disfigure and insult the Islam. We will not be able to repair our ramponierten call, until we recognize just as clear as infamous fact that today the majority of the acts of terrorism in the world is the work of Muslims. We will not create it to divert our children, who commit these horrible crimes, of their dire way without to criticize, as manipulate our sheikh the understanding of the people. This sheikh, which up-play themselves on their pulpits as revolutionaries and which children of other people send into wars - their own however on schools in Europe and America.


28 posted on 09/16/2004 12:06:10 PM PDT by NavVet (“Benedeict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Thank you for the translation but it's not complete. What's a Soehne, geiselnehmer (sounds rough), aluminium, betrueblich, geiselnehmer (that nasty name-callling word again), entwuerdigend, nods, Verunstaltung, verunstaltete, zertritt, Raechern, and ramponierten?


29 posted on 09/16/2004 12:06:58 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: BenLurkin
Nicht alle Muslime sind Terroristen. Fest steht aber auch: Fast alle Terroristen sind Muslime.

"Not all terrorists are Muslims. But it appears that all terrorists are Muslims.

I think you might want to check this part again. (Or maybe that was intentional.)

30 posted on 09/16/2004 12:07:50 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: gp-nyc

A islamic said this? I'm flabbergasted!


31 posted on 09/16/2004 12:10:52 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: wideminded

Fast alle = "almost all"?

See post #21


32 posted on 09/16/2004 12:11:18 PM PDT by BenLurkin (We have low inflation and and low unemployment.)
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To: gp-nyc

Thanks a bunch...

It's interesting to me that FINALLY we are hearing words of wisdom from Muslims themselves. How long before he is silenced?


33 posted on 09/16/2004 12:20:27 PM PDT by STFrancis
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To: BenLurkin
I don't really read German, but I could see that your translation involved a statement followed by its negative, which didn't correspond to the original.

More importantly, I think this article in German is one of the same articles from Arab newpapers that have been quoted recently in other threads (in English translation). These articles concerned Arab reaction to Beslan.

34 posted on 09/16/2004 12:36:08 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: STFrancis

You really must read the Koran in the original German.


35 posted on 09/16/2004 12:38:52 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: STFrancis
The Stern, quite exactly illustrates how Muslims describe their brethren as a murderous gang.
The Stern states: It is true that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is also true that all terrorists are Muslims.
So far so good for a German weekly.
I like to remind the Stern of what Rudi Giuliani said at the Republican Convention, his illustration however got avoided and blacked out by the German media.
Giuliani said that the start of terrorism goes back to the Munich Olympics when Arab terrorists attacked and killed Israeli athletes.
Germany after three months allowed the three surviving and captured terrorists to go free.
While Giuliani stopped here to proof his point of terrorism's beginning, the deeper understanding centers around: looking the other way, not retaliating. Avoidance by not having another terror attack, or not to be attacked again when bringing killers to court, or even worse, hand terrorists over to Israel is the main point
What followed: Terror in other countries, hostage taking if demands were not followed, subsequent beheading, additional terror attacks, all in an ever escalating manner, worldwide.
The modern retaliatory terror area with escalating demands based on a "you agree and cave in or else we harm you even more" basis started in Germany with the release of three murderous terrorists without even a trial.
It is the U.S. Israel, and Russia that are effective in the long term of fighting terror: decisively retaliating and even more important: preemptive striking.
Europeans at hitchhikers. No terrorism, no war, pro Palestine, Germany against possible Iranian atomic weapon sanctions as the latest one, see Spain having met all of the terrorist's demands.
Muslims will not stop, or keep a negotiated agreement.
Europeans, remember, it's infidels they're fighting, and sooner or later demands will be made. Caving in is not an option or alternative.
36 posted on 09/16/2004 1:31:08 PM PDT by hermgem
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To: alkaloid2; americanbychoice2; An.American.Expatriate; a_Turk; austinTparty; BMCDA; CaraM; ...
German ping.

longjack

37 posted on 09/16/2004 4:38:23 PM PDT by longjack
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To: Legion04

Buhuhahahaha! It took 10 painful trys...

# 26 was the first correct German word I found here (except of the article of course). It means shi*. The rest was complete bullshi*.

Anyway it is funny to watch!


38 posted on 09/16/2004 6:26:22 PM PDT by THORE JAN SVEN (De omnibus dubitantum)
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To: STFrancis

I think a mixture between the lack of education and the lack of self-convidence lead to this horrible agression in a small part of the islamic world. It has nothing to do with the religion itself.

The fight for freedom has to be combined with a fight for the hearts of the population in the middle east. I know that the coalition troops and Israel are working on that problem, but the efford is still not enough.


39 posted on 09/16/2004 6:50:48 PM PDT by THORE JAN SVEN (De omnibus dubitantum)
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To: hermgem

You are right. Germany made big faults in the past. Especailly the handling of the Munich affair was a shame for my country.

On the other hand it is absolutely wrong, to say that all terrorists are muslims. We had nazis, unabombers, RAF, Red Brigades, Mc Veigh and the black hand. Israel and Russia are not effective in dealing with their terrorists. The remains of the slaughtered of Beslan and Haifa are telling the real sad story. And - there is no proof that America will be effective with the war on terrorism either. It is a tragedy that Bin Laden was right when he said, that from now on there will be fear in American towns. It is quite probable that someday some idiots out of the afghan mountains will use C- or B-weapons on US-territory.

Don't understand me wrong. I believe in using hard force against thugs. I believe that my German gouvernment should have taken part in the coalition to free Iraq. It was a major fault of our gouvernment.

But - is it necessary to offend the whole muslim world with the excessive use of power on them? For example - is it nessecary to blow up houses of people in Palestine who had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism? Who wonders, when a 15-year old muslim boy, who is standing in front of the ruins of of his family house, will shoot on IDF-Forces in the future? I would shoot if I would be him because I have testicles. :-)

Therefrom it follows: Only the extermination of the whole muslim population in this world would bring total security for the west, because you have to deal with all those little boys who had to suffer collateral damage. As a German I can tell you, that the extermination of millions just because of their religion is not a good idea. We learned from our history in the past.

The whole west has to overthink the strategy. We have to do it togehter and the millitary action has to be combined with winning the hearts of the people. This will be the only way to keep our towns safe.


40 posted on 09/16/2004 8:36:39 PM PDT by THORE JAN SVEN (De omnibus dubitantum)
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