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SOROS' $$ TOPPLES DA IN WAR OVER DRUGS (This Is Gettin' Scary)
New York Post ^ | September 16, 2004 | KENNETH LOVETT

Posted on 09/16/2004 5:04:47 AM PDT by publius1

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To: wideawake
Which is why I specifically said that the Bill of Rights guarantees certain rights, not that it grants them.

There was no 11th Amendment guaranteeing the right to keep and smoke crack.

The implication is that they do not exist otherwise. You may clear that up if you wish. Just say that no amendment is need for any specific activity, like the ninth amendment explains.

121 posted on 09/16/2004 8:23:00 AM PDT by Protagoras (Free speech should never be tampered with, AT ALL.)
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To: wideawake
That's pretty much my experience with people who do other sorts of drugs as well. Of course, then there's crack, but crack exists because of prohibition. Then there's crystal meth, which I agree is a seriously f-ed up drug.

But what can you do about someone that determined to destroy themselves? Prohibited drugs are hardly the only way to go for people who want to do that... not only is all that stuff available anyway, there's also alcohol, prescribed pharmaceuticals, gambling, violence, suicide, homosexuality, and every other sin known to mankind.

The governing regime doesn't work and I resent being taxed for it.

122 posted on 09/16/2004 8:23:50 AM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: kcvl
How is that relevant to my statement, "many alcohol addicts criminally neglect their children, and our response has, rightly in my view, not been to ban alcohol"?
123 posted on 09/16/2004 8:23:57 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Protagoras

"And eliminate penalties for most drug laws."

Without penalties the laws don't make sense, so if you are going to legalize them, I want my right to have a beer at the beach back !


124 posted on 09/16/2004 8:25:21 AM PDT by RS (Just because the PJ Posse is out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: thoughtomator

I was just about to post the same thing. I hate George Soros, the man is a communist scumbag pigdog. But, the Rockefeller drug laws are terrible, and only fill up the courts and prisons with drug users, not even sellers, let alone dangerous criminals committing actual crimes.

Yes, Soros is lower than the scum of the Earth, but that doesn't change the fact that current drug laws in NYS do more harm than good. They've created a huge black market and are the cause of so much of our violent drug crime.

FOLKS! These drug laws are NOT working! Drugs are on our streets, in our schools, the military, and maximum security prisons! There is another answer and we can NOT let the government bully us into believing that merely DISUCUSSING ALTERNATIVES TO THE CURRENT SYSTEM equals total legalization.

THAT IS A LIE, IT IS DANGEROUS GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA!

Still, I wish someone would "pie" Soros like they did to Bill Gates.


125 posted on 09/16/2004 8:25:59 AM PDT by t_skoz
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To: tacticalogic
Well, I call it "making statements in conjunction with his assigned role as Director, Office of National Drug Control Policy."

Hey, weren't you one of those weeping and gnashing their teeth because John Walters was in Nevada about the time that Nevada was trying to legalize possession of three ounces?

HE'S UNFAIRLY INFLUENCING THE PROPOSAL, was the cry, even though he was just doing his job.

But Soros shoveling some of his personal billions into a Democratic primary election of a state official is just fine with you, huh?

126 posted on 09/16/2004 8:27:20 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: RS
if you are going to legalize them, I want my right to have a beer at the beach back !

I'm opposed to criminalizing the private use of any drug, or legalizing the public use of any drug.

127 posted on 09/16/2004 8:28:39 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: robertpaulsen
HE'S UNFAIRLY INFLUENCING THE PROPOSAL, was the cry, even though he was just doing his job.

But Soros shoveling some of his personal billions into a Democratic primary election of a state official is just fine with you, huh?

Can't tell the difference between individuals spending their own money and governments spending taxpayer money, huh? I'm not surprised.

128 posted on 09/16/2004 8:30:01 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Protagoras
It's always a terrible inconvenience to die from lung cancer, artery disease and emphysema. Their families are not destroyed by that?

This is true. My family has been touched by tobacco-related emphysema, in point of fact.

I'll compare my case to a family I know whose son was a cocaine addict who died of an overdose.

Although my grandmother died from emphysema at too early an age, her disease did not change her her personality. It did not inspire her to physically assault any family members and it did not humiliate the family in the community.

The other family had a situation where a mother was dragged naked by her hair from a shower into the street in broad daylight by a drug-crazed son who was angry with her for not giving him money for drugs. He was a son who had gone from being a somewhat irresponsible but affectionate kid, to a man who beat and stole from his parents, stole from his parents' neighbors, who repeatedly needed to be bailed out of jail for his violent behavior while coked up and who died at the age of thirty leaving behind a young son and a family which had been physically, financially and emotionally drained, battered and humiliated.

Alcohol addiction also falls into this category.

It does.

As well as gambling addiction.

Not the same. Financial ruin, definitely.

129 posted on 09/16/2004 8:30:43 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Know your rights

"... or legalizing the public use of any drug."

Starbucks is going to get really upset with you....


130 posted on 09/16/2004 8:31:26 AM PDT by RS (Just because the PJ Posse is out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: wideawake
Alcohol addiction also falls into this category.

It does.

So should alcohol be banned? If not, how is addiction to other drugs an argument for banning those drugs?

131 posted on 09/16/2004 8:32:23 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Quix
All of the above may be true, but I support the right to free speech. Even for morons.

The people can be trusted to understand the ideas and to get what they deserve.

132 posted on 09/16/2004 8:33:10 AM PDT by Protagoras (Free speech should never be tampered with, AT ALL.)
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To: headsonpikes

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Quotes of the Day: "All 'lock-'em-up, throw-away-the-key' DAs should take notice of what just happened to Paul Clyne. There will be consequences for people who advocate inhumane and ineffective laws."
-- Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, commenting on the upset victory of David Soares (D/WFP) in the Democratic primary for Albany County DA (NY Post, 9/16/04)







133 posted on 09/16/2004 8:33:55 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: wideawake
What tyranny actually is, by historical definition, is a system wherein the governed have no say - a system usually reserved to the arbitrary whim of a single unelected ruler.

It's sad - the dopertarians' brains are too clouded to see that DAs picking and choosing the laws they will enforce is yet another step toward tyranny.

134 posted on 09/16/2004 8:35:01 AM PDT by edsheppa
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To: kcvl
Quotes of the Day: "All 'lock-'em-up, throw-away-the-key' DAs should take notice of what just happened to Paul Clyne. There will be consequences for people who advocate inhumane and ineffective laws."
-- Ethan Nadelmann, executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, commenting on the upset victory of David Soares (D/WFP) in the Democratic primary for Albany County DA (NY Post, 9/16/04)

You see a problem there? I don't.

135 posted on 09/16/2004 8:35:53 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: edsheppa
DAs picking and choosing the laws they will enforce is yet another step toward tyranny.

Have you never heard of prosecutorial discretion?

136 posted on 09/16/2004 8:37:08 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
Perhaps because alcohol is legal and therefore relatively inexpensive?

Not really. In NYC you can buy an 8oz flask of whiskey and a rock of crack for about the same price.

I would say that there are two factors at work: with alcohol one can keep the high going but getting hammered and then drinking a little more and a little more as you go.

With crack, you take a hit, it wears off rather quickly and you need another hit. The high is much more intense and short-lived.

Another factor - a person can get by at many jobs even if they're somewhat buzzed. It's impossible for all but a very few crack addicts to hold down a job for any length of time.

137 posted on 09/16/2004 8:39:28 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Quix

I do believe this is a scary development. Unlimited cash put to the wrong uses can be devastating. Absolute power ....

Next on the Soros agenda is legallization of marijuana, the drug of choice for the mob to lure kids into more profitable addictions, prostitution, loan sharking, etc.

Meanwhile, he was convicted on financial frauds by France, as I recall.

Soros appears to be intent on using the rules of a free capitalist society to undermine and destroy it. It has to be his communist upbringing, and his revenge on the world.


138 posted on 09/16/2004 8:40:48 AM PDT by OESY
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To: kcvl

Yet another socialist splinter group.

And your point?


139 posted on 09/16/2004 8:44:23 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Quix
Soares also received some $25,000 from an array of high-profile out-of-towners supporting drug-law reform, including former U.S. Sen. Bob Kerrey, Seagram CEO Edgar Bronfman Jr. and music executive Jason Flom.

The Post recently reported that Soros' son, Robert, and his wife, Melissa Schiff Soros, donated $100,000 to state Senate Democrats.

Karenna Gore Schiff (Al Gore's daughter) is married to Dr. Andrew (Drew) Schiff, a managing director at Perseus-Soros BioPharmaceutical Fund, which makes investments--in the $10 million to $50 million range--in the biotechnology sector.

140 posted on 09/16/2004 8:45:14 AM PDT by kcvl
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