Posted on 09/15/2004 7:09:58 PM PDT by notkerry
Marion Knox's statements prove the documents are forgeries and not even factually incorrect. Dan Rather again showed his bais by not following up on her statements. All he wanted was a statement they were factually correct, despite the fact her others statements prove otherwise.
Marion Knox alleged that the forged docuemnts facts were accurate.
The May 4, 1972 forged document is a total fabrication as proven by her own testimony. It is this document that alleges that Colonel Killian ordered Lieutenant Bush to report for Annual Physical Examination for flight clearance by May 14, 1972.
However, Marion Knox clearly indicated in her interview with Dan Rather that Lieutenant Bush had until his birthday to get the medical exam completed. President Bush's birday is July 7th. As such, Dan Rather is screwed again and clearly knows it as he refused to follow up on her statement.
Marion Knox also stated that Killian was upset because President Bush refused an order to complete his medical exam. On what date is she alluding this order was given? Dan Rather again fails to ask any question that could bury him.
Remember know that Ms. Knox claims the forgeries are factually accurate.
Per the admitted forgery of May 19, 1972, Colonel Killian and Lieutenant Bush discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November. The memo also noted a discussion about getting Bush's flight physical situation fixed before his date (As Admitted by Ms. Knox to Dan Rather, this was July 7, 1972) This confirms again the exam was not required by the regulations in May of 1972. The forgery also notes that Bush says he will do his exam in Alabama if he stays in a flight status in Alabama.
The forgery continues that Bush has been working with staff to come up with options and identified a unit that may accept him. Contradicting what Ms. Knox said, the forgery then notes that Colonel Killian told Bush he had to have written acceptance before he would be transferred.
Bush was asked in 1972 to work for an Alabama Senate campaign. On May 24, 1972, Bush filled out a form requesting a transfer to the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron in Montgomery, Alabama.
This unit had no planes and minimal duties. On May 26, 1972, Reese H. Bricken, commander of the 9921st, wrote to Bush to tell him that his application had been accepted.
Commander Bricken said in an interview with the Boston Globe, "We met just one weeknight a month. We were only a postal unit. We had no airplanes."
In fact, Air Reserve Force members, while not required to perform actual duty, could be drafted for the Vietnam war under the Obligated Reserves Section (ORS).
This is why Bush did not need to have a medical exam for flight clearance in May of 1972. Even the forged document prove this fact and totally discredits Ms. Knox, but Dan Rather refused to follow up on this point.
Dan Rather is so bias that he cannot even see the forgeries support that Bush and discredit his story. Bush had approval to not take the physical and explain why there is not gaurd duty from May to Novemebr 1972 time frame.
In fact, Bush's pay records from Alabama are Air Reserve Force records and other documents released confirm this transfer. Dan Rather refuses to discuss this fact.
The alleged forgeries and known Bush records shows that Ms. Knox claims are factually incorrect because Colonel Killian approved the transfer. However, Denver higher-ups retracted the approval. The Denver retration did not occur until July of 1972.
On July 21, 1972, the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver ruled against Bush's reassignment to Alabama, and noted that as "an obligated Reservist" he could only be "assigned to a specific Ready Reserve Position."
By the time Bush was notified of this, he had already missed the July 7th(Bush's Birthday - Note others claim the drop dead date is 3 months after Bush's birday) drop dead date for his physical. If the transfer to the non-flight unit had not been overturned, Bush did not need clearance to fly. The unit had no planes.
Again, Dan Rather is so bias that he cannot even see the earlier dated forgery and the next forgery support discredit Ms. Knox. Bush had approval to not take the physical and Colonel Killian approved a transfer to a that had no reporting requirement.
If Ms. Knox's memory is even correct about memo's being factually accurate, then she has her dates confused per the August 1, 1972 Forged Document. In this forgery, Colonel Killian notes that he recommended Bush for transfer to 9921st Air Reserve Squadron in May of 1972. Colonel Killian also notes the transfer was not allowed. Colonel Killian also notes that he has ordered that Bush be suspended from flight status due to failure to meet annual physical examination for flight clearance as ordered. However, Dan Rather refuses to ask this question of MS. Knox snce it would again cause his story a problem since it confirms that no exam was required in May of 1972.
Bush's known records show that Bush did not receive a written order of the transfer being over ruled until September of 1972. Dan Rather again ignores this fact!
On September 5, 1972, Bush requested permission to "perform equivalent duty" at the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery "for the months of September, October, and November," and he quickly received approval to do so.
Bush's records show that he was paid for service on October 28-29 and November 11-14 of 1972. Bush received a dental examination at Dannelly in Alabama on January 6, 1973. Pay sheet summaries indicate service from January 4-6 and 8-10 of 1973. Pay sheet summaries indicate service from January 8-10 and April 7-8 and May 1-3 and May 8-10 and May 19-20 and May 22-24 of 1973.
On May 2, 1973, Bush's immediate superiors conducted an annual performance review covering the period from May 1, 1972 to April 30, 1973, which stated that "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of the report."
This should be no suprise since he was assigned to 9921st Air Reserve Squadron in Montgomery, Alabama from May 26, 1972 to September 5, 1972 and that Bush had been in Alabama 187th since September of 1972.
Clearly Lt. Col. William D. Harris Jr. and Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian were aware of this and wrote in May of 1972: "A civilian occupation made it necessary for him to move to Montgomery, Ala. He cleared this base on 15 May 1972 and has been performing equivalent training in a non-flying status with the 187 Tac Recon Gp. Dannelly ANG Base, Alabama."
According to the other Forged Document dated August 18, 1973: Colonel Killian notes Bush wasn’t here during rating period and I don’t have any feedback from 187th in Alabama. Colonel Killian refused to rate Bush for May 1972 to May 1973.
More proof of Dan Rather's bias is shown by the August 18, 1973 forgery. This forfery is not even consistent with the August 1, 1972 forgery. It makes no mention of Bush's assignment to the 9921st Air Reserve Squadron from May of 1972 to September of 1972 which is clearly acknowldged in the earlier forgery.
Additionally, Dan Rather's bias is shown by Bush's known records in September of 1973.
On September 5, 1973, Bush requested discharge from service, to be effective on October 1. He wrote, "I am moving to Boston, Massachusetts to attend Harvard Business School as a full time student."
Apparently know understanding Bush's assignments and actual duty in 1972 and 1973, Colonel Killian recommended approval of the discharge the following day.
Dan Rather showed his bias reporting again by never mentioning this fact. Nor does he ever mention the even more important facts that follow.
Bush was only required to complete 50 credits per year, not fulltime service. Bush had completed all the required credits for his six years of service in five years, four months, and five days.
Bush was honorably discharged from the Texas Air National Guard on October 1, 1973.
Bush was immediately transferred to the inactive reserves in Denver, Colorado, and then discharged from the Air Force Reserve on November 21, 1974.
Does anyone really believe Dan Rather's lastest interview even get close to saving CBS from what is likely ACTUAL MALICE (Publishing a false statement with reckless disregard for the trurth)
DRUDGE HAS THIS ....
Documents allegedly written by deceased officer that raised questions about Bush's service with Texas National Guard bore markings showing they had been faxed to CBS News from a Kinko's copy shop in Abilene, Texas.
WHO LIVES THERE???
Charlie Stenholm
Great job. Bump.
Little Green Footballs has the latest pathetic CBS defense. Pathetic in that it doesn't even have the guts to answer the points raised by critics. It simply ignores the mountain of evidence. Instead they cling to their 4 experts:
That leaves one expert left. James J. Pierce. Who is James J. Pierce? Is he the man who is classified here in this case?
http://www.signascan.com/testimonials.htm
"Plaintiff's expert Pierce, a handwriting analyst, testified that plaintiff signed all of her physical therapy treatment logs on different occasions. He did not believe that the physical therapy signatures were fraudulent."
HANDWRITING ANALYST? ... And NOT A CONVINCING ONE ... "The jury was strongly persuaded by defendant's handwriting expert, John Cerlanek, and did not believe that plaintiff's handwriting expert refuted any of his testimony. "
Is this the man CBS picked? What could a handwriting analyst tell us FROM COPIES?!? And how does hadwriting expertise refute the claims that typographic incompatibility proves they are fraudulent CBS claims that not only didnt they give the experts original documents; they didnt have them either. (So the forger did a good job of photoshopping in a good signature, and the handwriting expert was none the wiser.) If so, we now have ZERO documentation experts to refute the 'MS Word' forgery case and typographic flaws in the documents. ZERO.
She said the typeface on the documents did not match either of the two typewriters that she used during her time with the Guard. She identified those machines as a mechanical Olympia typewriter and the IBM Selectric that replaced it in the early 1970s.
She spoke fondly of the Olympia, which she said had a key with the "th" superscript character that has been the focus of much debate in the CBS memos.
Beyond that issue, experts have said that the Selectric and mechanical typewriters such as the Olympia could not produce the proportional spacing found in the disputed documents.
Knox said she was sure the documents were not direct transcriptions because the language and terminology did not match what Killian would have used. For instance, she said, the use of the words "billets" and a reference to the "administrative officer" of Bush's squadron reflect Army terminology rather than that of the Air National Guard. Some news reports attribute the CBS reports to a former Army National Guard officer who has a long-standing dispute with the Guard and who has previously maintained that the president's record was sanitized.
Knox also cited stylistic differences in the form of the notes, such as the signature on the right side of the document, rather than the left, where she would have put it.
Knox said she did all of Killian's typing, including memos for a personal "cover his back" file he kept in a locked drawer of his desk.
She said that the culture of the time was that men didn't type office-related documents, and she expressed doubt that Col. Killian would have typed the memos. She said she would typically type his memos from his handwritten notes, which she would then destroy.
She said that although she did not recall typing the memos reported by CBS News, they accurately reflect the viewpoints of Killian and documents that would have been in the personal file. Also, she said she didn't know whether the CBS documents corresponded memo for memo with that file.
"The information in here was correct, but it was picked up from the real ones," she said. "I probably typed the information and somebody picked up the information some way or another."
Knox said that she didn't recall typing a Killian memo alleging that a commander, Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt, was pressuring officers to "sugar coat" Bush's record. But she said that Staudt's larger-than-life dominance of the unit would have been reflected in Killian's personal files. She added, though, that there's no way Staudt could have exerted that influence after he retired.
CBS won't bring the 4th expert out publicly; they use as their own 'defense' witness a secretary who now is knowledgeable about who did and did not write memos, how they were written, and whether this could have been genuine, and says clearly "Knox said signs of forgery abound in the four memos." Yet they don't admit the obvious still - the documents are fakes.
CASE CLOSED.
Hey Dan Rather, The internet never sleeps and it certainly never forgets.
Where is "Texans for Truth" located?
good synopsis
Good job. Have you looked at the claims that he should have been reporting to the reserves in Boston?
Killian's son was on Fox tonight and said she was just a pool secretary, not his dad's private secretary as she says. Curses...foiled again!!!!
Sorry for the typos. Does anyone know how I can fix them? I caught some, but missed others.
One extra note…Bush was rated on the F102 and the 102 is not a recon aircraft so even after transfer to the 187th Tactical Reconnaissance Group in Montgomery Bush would still be in a non flying assignment… so again no flight physical needed
Good job. Nice info....
But next time use the spell checker.
Admin Moderator, can you clean this up a bit?
I don't know. Those actually show up on what I believe was the Whitehouse download of four documents. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I thought CBS has separate .pdfs for each documents, which didn't show FAX markings. It still would be strange that they weren't FAXed from CBS, but from a Kinko's in Abilene, TX. So that must be why people suspect these are markings on those documents originally received by CBS. BUT - if that's the case, it appears that only four of these forgeries were sent to them. They just insisted in their lengthy release to the affiliates, that they had avaiable to them all six memos.
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