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Guard Secretary, Flight Instructor Chip Away at CBS Story
Talon News ^ | 9/15/04 | Bobby Eberle and Jeff Gannon

Posted on 09/15/2004 5:58:47 PM PDT by wagglebee

HOUSTON (Talon News) -- Despite repeated assertions by CBS news that documents used in a "60 Minutes II" story to question the National Guard service of President George W. Bush are authentic, more testimony continues to emerge which eat away at CBS's claims. Now, the secretary of former Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the supposed author of the documents, says that Killian never typed memos.

"He didn't need to. He had me," Marion Carr Knox, Killian's former secretary at the Texas Air National Guard said to Internet reporter Matt Drudge.

Knox added, "I did not type these particular memos. I typed memos like these."

"I typed memos that had this information in them, but I did not type these memos," Knox explained. "There are terms in these memos that are not Guard terms but that are Army terms."

Knox indicated that she is not a Bush supporter, but remembers him fondly because he was always pleasant and respectful toward her.

CBS did not interview Cox before airing the 60 Minutes segment.

CBS has virtually isolated itself by holding on to its assertion that the documents are authentic. Even the experts that several days ago seemed to be giving credence to the reports have now moved away from them.

The network refuses to name its source of the documents and admits that it has never seen the originals. It has instead attempted to retaliate on "bloggers" who originally pointed out the many flaws in the fabrications.

When presented by Talon News with copies of the documents for review, President Bush's Air National Guard flight instructor at the time, Col. Maurice Udell, said that there was "no way those documents are real."

"I've only looked at these documents for a few minutes, but I can already count a number of flaws in them," Udell told Talon News.

Udell said the documents simply don't follow basic National Guard protocol.

Meanwhile, criticism of CBS News continues to intensify. An editorial in the New York Post on Tuesday noted that CBS News and Dan Rather are "digging in their heels -- and just may be digging their own journalistic graves."

Former President of NBC News Larry Grossman told the Wall Street Journal that if the documents are proven to be fake, "it will be a terrible, devastating blow."

"People will be fired, the program loses its credibility and Dan Rather ends a distinguished career with his reputation besmirched," Grossman added.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; bush; cbs; danrather; forgeries; mariancarrknox; seebsnews
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To: wagglebee

Mapes will be fired.

Rather will resign.


21 posted on 09/15/2004 6:39:09 PM PDT by PokeyJoe (The plural for RAT is RATS, not RATICS)
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To: NavySEAL F-16
ha! another witness just like that stupid ben barnes democratic fundraiser from texas who lied about helping bush! they will SAY anything to trash him! man, are they DESPERATE or what!

bizarre..bizarre...bizarre...an 86 year old lady contradicting herself about conversations she never witnessed 30 years ago by a guy who's been dead for 20 years. can it GET ANY WORSE?

22 posted on 09/15/2004 6:39:29 PM PDT by wildwood
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To: NavySEAL F-16

JUMPED THE SHARK!!! (5 days ago actually)


23 posted on 09/15/2004 6:40:11 PM PDT by wildwood
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To: PokeyJoe
Rather will resign.

My guess is that he will retire to save face.

24 posted on 09/15/2004 6:40:20 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: ctdonath2

See Post #19


25 posted on 09/15/2004 6:41:59 PM PDT by NavySEAL F-16 (Proud to be a Reagan Republican)
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To: wildwood
AND FURTHER....

last week, Knox said she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time with the Texas Air National Guard, although she did recall a culture of special treatment for the sons of prominent people, such as Bush and others.

it was a "CULTURE"...nothing overt...a CULTURE...she knows nothing specific but she FELT it was a CULTURE...BLAH!

26 posted on 09/15/2004 6:48:02 PM PDT by wildwood
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To: wagglebee
"My guess is that he will retire to save face."

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NO NO NO !!! I don't want Gunga Dan to retire yet.

I want to see him crying on the air in the first week of November.

27 posted on 09/15/2004 6:50:29 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Wild Irish Rogue
In so many words, she claimed that the young pilots told her their innermost secrets and resentments. Of which she has total recall, 35 years later.

You'd be surprised. My mom is a retired school teacher and I'll occassionally run into grown adults that were in her 3rd grade class. I'll tell my mom about it later and she'll remember that person, who his brothers and sisters were and details about his personality, etc. She can't remember important details of my childhood but she sure remembers some kid she knew for 9 months 20 years ago.

28 posted on 09/15/2004 6:52:07 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Rockpile
Maybe if we're lucky, they'll find him in a "spider hole"


29 posted on 09/15/2004 6:57:33 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: wagglebee

"People will be fired, the program loses its credibility and Dan Rather ends a distinguished career with his reputation besmirched," Grossman added.

Yes, I hope this happens sooner Rather than later.


30 posted on 09/15/2004 7:05:23 PM PDT by daviscupper
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To: wagglebee

>last week, Knox said she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's >time with the Texas Air National Guard, although she did >recall a culture of special treatment for the sons of >prominent people, such as Bush and others.

So they are accusing the President of the United States of a military criminal offense on the basis that an 86 year old woman's (that is probably too old to drive) OPINION of a CULTURE of special treatment. Not even an EXACT accusation of Bush, but a culture. Total BS all the way.


31 posted on 09/15/2004 7:26:09 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: wagglebee
The real issue is that Rather did not present these documents last week as questionable, he presented them as factual, authenticated documents. Now to change the story, he's been proven to have lied, and his own words convict him of that. He misled the viewers to get his point of view accepted to make a stronger, but false, case against Bush. If last week he had presented them as documents that had come to him, but that he could not attest to their validity, we would all be screaming "foul", Rather would still have been accused of being biased or partisan, but he wouldn't be accused of lying in a way that could make it stick. Well, that is not what he did. He presented one side of a story without presenting both sides to allow the public to decide. He, in his arrogance, decided himself for the "little people". That's why I like Fox News. The "We report, you decide" motto is what I like about it. When there are two sides, they present both sides.

If this were a criminal case in California, and Rather were the prosecutor, he would be censured by the court for not revealing that he had exculpatory evicence, that he was railroading an innocent defendant to prison.

32 posted on 09/15/2004 7:35:10 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More ( Ain't it Grand!)
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To: wagglebee

Fax# (212) 975-1998

33 posted on 09/15/2004 11:39:30 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (What's the frequency Kenneth?)
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