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Let's get those advertisers from tonight's show (hopefully only one person will watch). Then it's time to start putting them out of business.

Dan just earned his PhD with this twist.

Piled Higher & Deeper.

"Andrews: Marion Knox says, Colonel Killian liked Mr. Bush but not his attitude."

What a strange statement. That poor woman is really confused. Mrs PD

Yes , they believe the CONTENT to be true, NOT the actual Docs.

Basically, what they are saying is that the story is that W didn't fulfill his Guard duty, and that the story is true whether or not these particular documents are fake, and that the issue of whether or not these particular documents are fake is therefore not important.

interview with the late Lieutenant Colonel Killian’s secretary, tonight on “60 Minutes” at eight, seven Central here on CBS.

She was probably secretary to Killian's Boss as well as other people in the office. Time to talk to Jilian;s boss again.

John F'n did not complete his tour in Vietnam and did not complete his tour in the Navy. he's got a lot of balls to have his kool-aid drinkers try to slam Bush for requesting excusal from ANG duty. The ANG and reserves were flexible in those days and Bush was no exception.
Why don't any of the Lamestream press ask Kerry why he didn't comlete his tours?????

OK. Up till now, I just thought this was funny. Now I'm starting to get mad.

Hello Fellow Freepers! I am an every-day lurker, very seldom poster.

Does anyone else remember in the early 90's (I think) when ABC news did a story on espionage and they showed a shadowy figure carrying a briefcase? There was a flap about it because, being that it was a news show, people were bound to think ABC had obtained footage of a real "spy" in action when in fact it was a re-enactment.

In the same vein, a female news reporter (Cokie Roberts?) once stood in front of a picture of the Capital Building in Washington D.C. and did a "live" report from there.

Questions were raised in both of these instances about journalistic integrity and whether or not the news organizations involved had crossed a line.

Now we have RatherGate and CBS is focusing on the 'accuracy' of the documents and not the authenticity? And they are getting away with it?

Could journalistic standards truly have fallen this far, this quickly?

Fregards,
SallyAnn

Here is the latest from the DUmmies on Memogate. Read and LAUGH:

Seriously my humble take on this is that even is the documents are forged it is the press's duty to stay on story which are the multitude of lies in GW Bush's military record. If this 86 year old grandma goes on and on about how she recalls waht a rule breaKER, SLACK OFF, AWOL DRUNK NO SHOW HE WAS --ONCE AGAIN THE WH HAS A PROBLEM. Not every independent or fence sitter is going to suck this up and blame Dan Rather...

why couldn't the documents be forgeries? Rovian attempt to get Rather Compared to the rest of the presstitutes, Rather has become a bit of a thorn in the side of the Bushies. Sixty Minutes has also been out in front of the herd of lapdogs. Why WOULDN'T a Rove type set a trap, with faked documents, to try to snare Rather?

I yelled at Dan saying, "Dan, you are my HERO!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure hope Dan-the-Man lobs a THUTH grenade into the whoring cabal of scum

I hope ALL the media in this country is watching this unfold. Dan Rather is giving them a lesson on what reporting is supposed to be.

I am now officially in love with Dan Rather.

If CBS had backed down in the face of intimidation, the bullies would be crawling all over the network's corpse now, and we Democrats would have made another crucial tactical error. We have to defend the truth, even if it is a minor truth. If we give in to bullying, we've lost.

Here's the email I sent: Thank you, Dan Rather, for being one of the last true journalists of courage and integrity remaining on the planet! Those of us who still value Truth over Propaganda respect and applaud you! Please, oh please, continue your efforts and set the example for your fellow "journalists" who routinely cede to the pressures of the Bush Administration and become complicit in spreading their lies and obfuscations. You, sir, are a true Hero! Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Way to go Dan, my respect for this man just keeps growing. I just hope he really has the goods. I suspect he does, but man if he doesn't.......

I have two things to say: 1. Thank you, Mr. Rather; and.... 2. Have you no shame, Mr. Bush? Just answer the questions.

I get the feeling Dan has lived for this moment for years now, he's kept rather quiet, careful not to rock the boat too much. For the last five years, people have wondered, why is he still hanging on. Sometimes he looked so tired. But now, when American is at her darkest hour, Dan is taking off the mask and putting his cards on the table. He knows more sh*t about this cabal, then most of us put together. He has been there since the beginning and he has seen it all.

Could CBS have the originals as well? Maybe they were hoping bush would deny the charges and then they could present the real docs and REALLY hang his ass? This gets more and more strange...yesterday I thought it was a Rove's trick but CBS is not backing down so they must have something to back themselves up. Frankly it looks like they want to force bush co into a courtroom or congressional hearing????

I want Dan Rather to unleash the fury NOW!!!!

The documents could be true in content but unauthentic from the standpoint that they are not the original documents and have been reproduced.

I have a very strange idea that the original confidential source for these ideas was the 86 year old secretary herself. It may have gotten filtered through the DNC and the Kerry campaign in between.

It would be really, really good if it could be established that there was no such thing as a mandatory physical (i.e. that it was optional, only mandatory if you wanted to retain flying status). That would blow her little story out of the water, not that it has much credibility to begin with.

I wonder WHO is going to interview RATHER'S DAUGHTER to ask her if SHE had anything to do with this.

Inconsistencies in the Knox 60 Minutes II interview at 60 minutes II

Knox remembers Lt. Bush well, and saw him often as he showed up for weekend training in 1971 and 1972.

He was always very gentlemanly. He called me by the name of his father’s secretary. He was always apologizing about that, recalls Knox. He couldn’t remember my name. I felt that his parents must have been wonderful to have produced somebody as nice as that.

from link, see post #2 by Ambrose...
Last week, Knox said she had no firsthand knowledge of Bush's time with the Texas Air National Guard, although she did recall a culture of special treatment for the sons of prominent people, such as Bush and others.
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see article

Col. Killian's secretary, Marion Carr Knox, describes herself as Col. Killian's "right hand" during much of the 1970s.

from link
"First of all, she was the secretary not just to my dad but to many officers, and her primary job was to do typing for the group commander," Killian said.

She addressed one memo, and a reference to retired Gen. Staudt pushing for a positive officer training report on Lt. Bush.
Staudt retired 18 months earlier than the date in the letter.

I know that I didn’t type them," says Knox. "However, the information in those is correct.
Except for the multiple differences that Knox outlines later such as the physical is usually taken by the pilot's birthday.

Once in a while they might be late, but there would be a good excuse for it and let the commander know and try to set up a date for a make-up. Once in a while they might be late, but there would be a good excuse for it and let the commander know and try to set up a date for a make-up. If they did not take that physical, they were off flying status until they did.
The reason was Bush was relocating to Alabama. In Alabama there were no F-102 aircraft. There was no point getting flying status, because there were no F-102's for him to fly there.

But did Lt. Bush get into the National Guard on the basis of preferential treatment?
I'm going to say that he did, says Knox. I feel that he did, because there were a lot other boys in there in the same way."

Hearsay. She has no proof, so how would she know this as a fact.

These memos were not memos that you typed, and you don’t think they came directly out of his files, Rather asked Knox.

"The information, yes," says Knox. "It seems that somebody did see those memos, and then tried to reproduce and maybe changed them enough so that he wouldn’t get in trouble over it."

Why would the forgerer change them enough that it looks like a forgery? Why would you want to change them enough so that you won't get in troube over it? It doesn't make any sense.

Knox says the fact that then-Lt. Bush was repeatedly missing drills was not lost on his fellow pilots.

"They missed him. It was sort of gossip around there, and they'd [the other officers would] snicker and so forth about what he was getting away with," says Knox. "I guess there was even a resentment."

How would she even know. He was in Alabama. Why would other officers be talking about Bush in Alabama?

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