Posted on 09/15/2004 4:20:27 PM PDT by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
John F'n did not complete his tour in Vietnam and did not complete his tour in the Navy. he's got a lot of balls to have his kool-aid drinkers try to slam Bush for requesting excusal from ANG duty. The ANG and reserves were flexible in those days and Bush was no exception.
Why don't any of the Lamestream press ask Kerry why he didn't comlete his tours?????
Correction, make that $500 to the Democrat Congressional Committee.
This reminds me of Rush's line about having one arm tied behind his back just to make it fair. Destroying the socialist media without even having to get out of our pajamas.
OK. Up till now, I just thought this was funny. Now I'm starting to get mad.
Oh, this'll be good .... [rolleyes]
CBS: "Sure, the documents are forgeries. There's not one expert left in the country that'll say that these documents are qenuine. However, had Killian typed these documents or had his secretary typed these documents for Killian then this is what they would have typed. So, the President needs to quit being evasive and address the questions that these documents would have raised ... had they been typed by Killian ....but weren't"
The First Rathergate
The CBS anchor’s precarious relationship with the truth.
By Anne Morse |National Review Online | Spetember 15, 2004
Critics are calling the media scandal over the Jerry Killian forgeries "Rathergate." But to thousands of Vietnam veterans, the real Rathergate took place 16 years ago when Dan Rather successfully foisted a fraud onto the American people. Then, unlike now, there was no blogosphere to expose him.
On June 2, 1988, CBS aired an hour-long special titled CBS Reports: The Wall Within, which CBS trumpeted as the "rebirth of the TV documentary." It purported to tell the true story of Vietnam through the eyes of six of the men who fought there. And what terrible stories they had to tell.
"I think I was one of the highest trained, underpaid, eighteen-cent-an-hour assassins ever put together by a team of people who knew exactly what they were looking for," said Steve Southards, a Navy SEAL who told Rather he had escaped society to live in the forests of Washington state. Under Rather's gentle coaxing, Southards described slaughtering Vietnamese civilians, making his work appear to be that of the North Vietnamese.
"You're telling me that you went into the village, killed people, burned part of the village, then made it appear that the other side had done this?" Rather asked.
"Yeah," Steve replied. "It was kill VC, and I was good at what I did."
Steve arrived home "in a straitjacket, addicted to alcohol and drugs" knowing that "combat had made him different," Rather intoned. "He asked for help; that's unusual, many vets don't. They hold back until they explode."
Rather then moved on to suicidal veteran named George Grule, who was stationed on the aircraft carrier Ticonderoga off the coast of Vietnam during a secret mission. Grule described the horror of watching a friend walk into the spinning propeller of a plane, which chopped him to pieces and sprayed Grule with his blood. The memory of this trauma left Grule, like Steve, unable to function in normal society.
Neither could Mikal Rice, who broke down as he described a grenade attack at Cam Ranh Bay, which blew in half the body of a buddy, "Sergeant Call." "He died in my arms," Rice tearfully recalled. Rice described how the sound of thunder and cars backfiring would regularly trigger his terrible memories.
Most horrific of all were the memories of Terry Bradley, a "fighting sergeant" who told Rather he had skinned alive 50 Vietnamese men, women, and children in one hour and stacked their bodies in piles. "Could you do this for one hour of your life, you stack up every way a body could be mangled, up into a body, an arm, a tit, an eyeball . . . Imagine us over there for a year and doing it intensely," Bradley said. "That is sick."
"You've got to be angry about it," Rather replied. "I'm suicidal about it," Bradley responded.
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, drug abuse, alcoholism, joblessness, homelessness, suicidal thoughts: These tattered warriors suffered from them all.
The The Wall Within was hailed by critics who — like the Washington Post's Tom Shales — gushed that the documentary was "extraordinarily powerful." There was just one problem: Almost none of it was true.
The truth was uncovered by B.G. Burkett, a Vietnam veteran and author of Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of its Heroes and its History (with Glenna Whitley). Burkett discovered that only one of the vets had actually served in combat. Steve Southards, who'd claimed to be a 16-year-old Navy SEAL assassin, had actually served as an equipment repairman stationed far from combat. Later transferred to Subic Bay in the Philippines, Steve spent most of his time in the brig for repeatedly going AWOL.
And George Gruel, who claimed he was traumatized by the sight of his friend being chopped to pieces by a propeller? Navy records reveal that a propeller accident did take place on the Ticonderoga when Gruel was aboard — but that he wasn't around when it happened. During Gruel's tour, the ship had been converted to an antisubmarine warfare carrier which operated, not on "secret mission" along the Vietnam coast, but on training missions off the California coastline. Nevertheless, Burkett notes, Gruel receives $1,952 a month from the Veterans Administration for "psychological trauma" related to an event he only heard about.
Mikal Rice — the anguished vet who claimed to have cradled his dying buddy in his arms — actually spent his tour as a guard with an MP company at Cam Ranh Bay. He never saw combat. Neither did Terry Bradley, who was not the "fighting sergeant" he'd claimed to be. Instead, military records reveal he served as an ammo handler in the 25th Infantry Division and spent nearly a year in the stockade for being AWOL. That's good news for the hundreds of Vietnamese civilians Bradley claimed to have slaughtered. But it doesn't say much for Dan Rather's credibility.
As Burkett notes, the records of all of these vets were easily checkable through Freedom of Information Act requests of their military records — something Rather and his producers simply didn't bother to do. They accepted at face value the lurid tales of atrocities committed in Vietnam and the stories of criminal behavior, drug addiction, and despair at home.
Perhaps that's because this is what they wanted to believe. Says Burkett: The Wall Within "precisely fit what Americans have grown to believe about the Vietnam War and its veterans: They routinely committed war crimes. They came home from an immoral war traumatized, vilified, then pitied. Jobless, homeless, addicted, suicidal, they remain afflicted by inner conflicts, stranded on the fringes of society."
Burkett, who did check the records of the vets Rather interviewed, shared his discoveries with CBS. So did Thomas Turnage, then administrator of the Veterans Administration, who was appalled by Rather's use of bogus statistics on the rates of suicide, homelessness, and mental illness among Vietnam veterans — statistics that can also be easily checked. Rather initially refused to comment, and CBS spokeswoman Kim Akhtar said, "The producers stand behind their story. They had enough proof of who they are." For his part, CBS president Howard Stringer defended the network with irrelevancies. "Your criticisms were not shared by a vast majority of our viewers," he sniffed, adding that "CBS News and its affiliates received acclaim from most quarters . . . In sum, this was a broadcast of which we at CBS News and I personally am proud. There are no apologies to make."
Sarah Lee Pilley, who ran a restaurant in Colville, Washington where the CBS crew dined while filming The Wall Within, would not agree. The wife of a retired Marine lieutenant colonel who saw combat in Vietnam, Pilley, said she "got the distinct feeling that CBS had a story they had decided on before they left New York." After interviewing 87 Vietnam veterans, CBS chose the "four or five saddest cases to put on the film," Pilley said. "The factual part of it didn't seem to matter as long as they captured the high drama and emotion that these few individuals offered. We felt all along that CBS committed tremendous exploitation of some very sick individuals."
Why would Dan Rather do such a thing? Partly because the stories of deranged, trip-wire vets is much more dramatic than the true story: That most Vietnam veterans came home to live normal, productive, happy lives. Second, Rather apparently wanted the story of whacked-out Vietnam veterans to be true — just as he now wants the Jerry Killian story to be true.
Or maybe — despite a preponderance of the evidence — he considered the sources of these tales of Vietnam atrocities "unimpeachable." As angry Vietnam veterans began calling CBS to complain about the factual inaccuracies of The Wall Within, Perry Wolff, the executive producer who wrote the documentary, claimed that "No one has attacked us on the facts." Despite the growing evidence that he'd been had, Rather also continued to defend the documentary — which is now part of CBS's video history series on the Vietnam War.
Perhaps Vietnam veterans ought to take a page out of the book of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and air television ads exposing Rather's deceits — something along the lines of: "Dan Rather lied about his Vietnam documentary. I know. I was there. I saw what happened. When the chips were down, you could not count on Dan Rather."
Certainly, we cannot count on him for the truth. During a 1993 speech to the Radio and Television News Directors Association, Rather criticized his colleagues for competing with entertainment shows for "dead bodies, mayhem, and lurid tales." "We should all be ashamed of what we have and have not done, measured against what we could do," Rather said.
Thousands of Vietnam veterans — not to mention the Bush campaign — would agree.
— Anne Morse is a writer living in Maryland.
Billybob
Hello Fellow Freepers! I am an every-day lurker, very seldom poster.
Does anyone else remember in the early 90's (I think) when ABC news did a story on espionage and they showed a shadowy figure carrying a briefcase? There was a flap about it because, being that it was a news show, people were bound to think ABC had obtained footage of a real "spy" in action when in fact it was a re-enactment.
In the same vein, a female news reporter (Cokie Roberts?) once stood in front of a picture of the Capital Building in Washington D.C. and did a "live" report from there.
Questions were raised in both of these instances about journalistic integrity and whether or not the news organizations involved had crossed a line.
Now we have RatherGate and CBS is focusing on the 'accuracy' of the documents and not the authenticity? And they are getting away with it?
Could journalistic standards truly have fallen this far, this quickly?
Fregards,
SallyAnn
I've been known to post while wearing only my boxer shorts.. Does that count?
Seriously my humble take on this is that even is the documents are forged it is the press's duty to stay on story which are the multitude of lies in GW Bush's military record. If this 86 year old grandma goes on and on about how she recalls waht a rule breaKER, SLACK OFF, AWOL DRUNK NO SHOW HE WAS --ONCE AGAIN THE WH HAS A PROBLEM. Not every independent or fence sitter is going to suck this up and blame Dan Rather...
why couldn't the documents be forgeries? Rovian attempt to get Rather Compared to the rest of the presstitutes, Rather has become a bit of a thorn in the side of the Bushies. Sixty Minutes has also been out in front of the herd of lapdogs. Why WOULDN'T a Rove type set a trap, with faked documents, to try to snare Rather?
I yelled at Dan saying, "Dan, you are my HERO!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure hope Dan-the-Man lobs a THUTH grenade into the whoring cabal of scum
I hope ALL the media in this country is watching this unfold. Dan Rather is giving them a lesson on what reporting is supposed to be.
I am now officially in love with Dan Rather.
If CBS had backed down in the face of intimidation, the bullies would be crawling all over the network's corpse now, and we Democrats would have made another crucial tactical error. We have to defend the truth, even if it is a minor truth. If we give in to bullying, we've lost.
Here's the email I sent: Thank you, Dan Rather, for being one of the last true journalists of courage and integrity remaining on the planet! Those of us who still value Truth over Propaganda respect and applaud you! Please, oh please, continue your efforts and set the example for your fellow "journalists" who routinely cede to the pressures of the Bush Administration and become complicit in spreading their lies and obfuscations. You, sir, are a true Hero! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Way to go Dan, my respect for this man just keeps growing. I just hope he really has the goods. I suspect he does, but man if he doesn't.......
I have two things to say: 1. Thank you, Mr. Rather; and.... 2. Have you no shame, Mr. Bush? Just answer the questions.
I get the feeling Dan has lived for this moment for years now, he's kept rather quiet, careful not to rock the boat too much. For the last five years, people have wondered, why is he still hanging on. Sometimes he looked so tired. But now, when American is at her darkest hour, Dan is taking off the mask and putting his cards on the table. He knows more sh*t about this cabal, then most of us put together. He has been there since the beginning and he has seen it all.
Could CBS have the originals as well? Maybe they were hoping bush would deny the charges and then they could present the real docs and REALLY hang his ass? This gets more and more strange...yesterday I thought it was a Rove's trick but CBS is not backing down so they must have something to back themselves up. Frankly it looks like they want to force bush co into a courtroom or congressional hearing????
I want Dan Rather to unleash the fury NOW!!!!
The documents could be true in content but unauthentic from the standpoint that they are not the original documents and have been reproduced.
I have a very strange idea that the original confidential source for these ideas was the 86 year old secretary herself. It may have gotten filtered through the DNC and the Kerry campaign in between.
It would be really, really good if it could be established that there was no such thing as a mandatory physical (i.e. that it was optional, only mandatory if you wanted to retain flying status). That would blow her little story out of the water, not that it has much credibility to begin with.
I wonder WHO is going to interview RATHER'S DAUGHTER to ask her if SHE had anything to do with this.
If you get the kind with no sugar, they are 10 for $1, and are practically flat, and light. I have about 4 in my cabinet for when my children's friends come over and drink everything in sight, LOL! But I will gladly relinquish a pack or two for a good cause....
We need to take action on several fronts;
1. Boycott CBS NotNews programs.
2. Boycott the product, services and companies of the advertisers for any CBS NotNews Program, their nightly news, their morning show and of course 60 Minutes.
3. Where civil court action can be implemented, it should be.
4. We should support our House Members who are taking on CBS/Viacom.
5. As individuals we can keep the people we email informed of the realities not the Spin from CBS.
Perhaps you've missed the point. Rather's standards have not fallen; they've always been in the sewer system.
What has changed? FReerepublic has reached the level of maturity necessary to out this fraud (and others like him).
Love your graphic!LOL!
This one is even better
Maybe that's what Rather is afraid of. To muchlight on the lefties of the 60's and 70's especially msm types might be a problem for Path Rather.
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