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Any Follow Up on Former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes Claim of Helping Bush Get in TANG?

Posted on 09/15/2004 12:15:41 PM PDT by zeestephen

I have seen almost no follow up on the 60 MinutesII interview with former Texas Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes.

Barnes stated that a Bush family intermediary, Houston businessman Sidney A. Adgar (now deceased), requested that Barnes help George W. Bush get into the TANG.

Barnes then stated he called TANG Director, Brig. Gen. James Rose, and arranged for Bush's acceptance into TANG.

Barnes then stated he had helped sons of other prominent Texas families to enter the TANG with the continuing help of Gen. Rose.

The next day, Barnes' daughter stated to FOX's Sean Hannity that her father told her in 2000 that he had not helped Bush.

Does anyone know if: (1) Brig. Gen. James Rose is dead? (2) Barnes has been asked for the names of the other young men he helped to get into the TANG? (3) Contemporaries of Sidney Adgar and Gen. Rose have been quizzed about their knowledge of these criminal acts alleged by Barnes?


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1 posted on 09/15/2004 12:15:43 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
I don't think Bush needed help getting any 'tang, he was a good looking rich kid with lots of coke!

kidding

2 posted on 09/15/2004 12:17:42 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: zeestephen

I think Barnes' daughter calling him a liar pretty much killed that story quick.

I mean, how embarrassing is that? Your own daughter?


3 posted on 09/15/2004 12:19:18 PM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: zeestephen
Who is Ben Barnes?
4 posted on 09/15/2004 12:20:36 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (BURN IN HELL, MICHAEL MOORE!)
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To: zeestephen
The only follow-up I heard of was Barnes' daughter calling his story a lie.

Frankly, I haven't sense that anyone has taken his story seriously. He betrayed himself because he's a fundraiser for Kerry, and because he said he helped Bush get into the ANG when he was Texas' Lt. Gov., yet Bush was already in the Guard when Barnes became Lt. Gov.

5 posted on 09/15/2004 12:20:39 PM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: conserv13

Barnes used to get his tang on the 14th floor of The Dobie until marrying an older rich widow with three children. A Kerry wantabe.


6 posted on 09/15/2004 12:21:05 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry would avenge the murder of my family by terrorists. Bush would prevent the murders.)
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To: My2Cents

Can someone please point me to a record of that quote.


7 posted on 09/15/2004 12:22:13 PM PDT by OHelix
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To: zeestephen
Preston E. Smith was Lt. Governor of Texas from 1963 to 1969. Ben Barnes was Lt. Governor from 1969 to 1973. His story was that he helped Bush get into the TANG as Lt. Governor, but Bush enlisted on May 27, 1968. See: Lieutenant Governors of Texas
8 posted on 09/15/2004 12:24:03 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (BURN IN HELL, MICHAEL MOORE!)
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To: zeestephen

I'd read that he testified to the opposite in 1999...under oath (don't have a link to the news story or FR thread).


9 posted on 09/15/2004 12:24:19 PM PDT by pookie18
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To: zeestephen

It has been testified by the higher ups in the TANG that there was NO waiting list to get into the Air Guard. There was a waiting list to get into the National Guard, but there were not that many people at the time qualified to fly planes who wanted to be in the air guard to warrent a waiting list.


10 posted on 09/15/2004 12:24:57 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: zeestephen

Man oh man, those democrats! They sure know how to USE those dead people!

They get them to vote democrat and NOW type memos!


11 posted on 09/15/2004 12:25:26 PM PDT by Lopeover
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To: zeestephen

1. Barnes was Lt. Gov. of Texas from 1969-1973. I'm having trouble understanding how he got Bush into the guard in 1968.

2. You can jump ahead of a line of 150 people waiting to be in the guard, simply by applying to a specialty job. And a pilot is certainly one of those positions.

3. Ben Barnes was run from office during a scandle that involved nearly the entire administration of the governor of texas at that time.


12 posted on 09/15/2004 12:25:38 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Use in a well ventilated area)
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To: zeestephen

I do know that in the 60's, it was very difficult to get into the FLA NG, unless you knew someone pretty important. I think it had a lot to do with a small number of billets, and a large number of people that did not want to go to VietNam.


13 posted on 09/15/2004 12:25:51 PM PDT by stuartcr (Neither - Nor in '04....Who ya gonna hate in '08)
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To: zeestephen

I forgot the network, but recently there were 2 high ranking TANG officers who stated that Bush did not jump to the head of the line. There was a waiting list for the TANG, but not for pilot trainng. Many of the applicants could not pass the physical or educational requirements.


14 posted on 09/15/2004 12:25:57 PM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: conserv13

Not to mention that Barnes claimed that during his term as Lt Gov was when he helped Bush get into ANG. Problem with that is Bush entered ANG in 68 and Barnes term started in 69. Oops, another CBS/Barnes lie.


15 posted on 09/15/2004 12:26:10 PM PDT by GrandmaPatriot
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To: OHelix
"I love my father very much, but he's doing this for purely political reasons. He is a big Kerry fund-raiser and he is writing a book also. And [the Bush story] is what he's leading the book off with. ... He denied this to me in 2000 that he did get Bush out [of Vietnam service]. Now he's saying he did." --Amy Barnes

CROWLEY: So, I hate to put you in this position, but I will ask you, do you think your father, Ben Barnes who was on "60 Minutes II" with Dan Rather last night – do you believe that he lied on the air to the American people last night about President Bush?

BARNES: Yes, I do. I absolutely do. And I think he's doing he's doing it for purely political, opportunistic reasons – trying to get John Kerry elected and trying to make Bush look like the bad person. ... Like I said, he's going to be trying to promote his book that he's got coming out.
16 posted on 09/15/2004 12:27:01 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (BURN IN HELL, MICHAEL MOORE!)
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Barnes was the 29 year old Speaker of the House (Texas Legislature) when he claims to have helped Bush.


17 posted on 09/15/2004 12:27:13 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
Hate to beat a dead horse, but.....
18 posted on 09/15/2004 12:27:55 PM PDT by deport (Democrats play hardball at the peewee-league level and then lose)
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To: zeestephen

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol18/issue45/pols.sci.side3.html for more on Ben Barnes


19 posted on 09/15/2004 12:29:08 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Use in a well ventilated area)
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heheh... Thank you... except I was unclear... I want the quote of Barnes saying he helped Bush when he was Lt. Gov. :o)


20 posted on 09/15/2004 12:29:42 PM PDT by OHelix
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