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Air National Guard Commanding Officer Alleges Bush Military Records Cleansing (Bill Burkett-11/2000)
Talion.com ^ | November 2000 | Talion.com

Posted on 09/15/2004 3:24:35 AM PDT by conservative in nyc

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Lest anyone think the Burkett "record cleansing" allegations are new, here's a question and answer section on the subject from the website Talion.com in November 2000. The Burkett allegations were likely the second October/November 2000 surprise (to run with the DUI charge). And there's a lot of sordid history on the Bush AWOL charge in 2000:

Anatomy of a Smear Campaign --- A Draft History of the 2000 Bush AWOL Charges

There's a reason why John Kerry and the Democrats "wish they had a delete button on Lexis-Nexis" and the Internet: because of Algore's Internet, we know the players involved in the late-2000 attempts to smear President Bush with a charge of being drunk, high and AWOL.  Not surprisingly, the names are remarkably similar to those we are hearing today.

Martin Heldt and the FOIA Requests

In June 2003, self-described Clinton, Iowa farmer and former railroad brakeman Marty Heldt posted an article "MISSING IN ACTION: George W. Bush's Fishy Service Record; Son of Privilege" to the liberal website, TomPaine.com.  On July 13, 2000, Mr. Heldt sent a FOIA request to the Pentagon, requesting President Bush's military records.  By the end of July, Mr. Heldt wrote on the website awol.gq.nu:

In the shadows of Valley Forge....

A timely packet arrived at my door just as the GOP convention opened in Philadelphia. It was some of George W. Bush’s records that were obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

At first, Mr. Heldt offered 20 pages of "Bush's National Guard records" on his website for $7.50.   It is not clear whether this offer was made before or after Mr. Heldt actually received the documents from his FOIA request.  At some later point (likely September or October), he posted these documents on awol.gq.nu and his personal Internet site, www.cis.net.  On the awol.gq.nu site, Mr. Heldt wrote "Nearly two hundred Manila wrapped pages of George Walker Bush's service records came to me like some sort of giant banana flip stuffed into my mailbox."

Robert A. Rogers --- The Early Months

Marty Heldt was not the only person interested in smearing the President Bush's service.  In July 2000, Air National Guard veteran and supposed self-employed civilian, and free-lance writer Robert A. Rogers (a.k.a. Rar, dba SUNSHINE Ventures, Inc.) from Virginia drafted a series of documents on the President's Texas Air National Guard service.  These documents were largely hidden on the website www.herbnstone.com, which started out as a homepage for a charity, the Sycamores of Pasadena, and has subsequently hosted an eclectic mix of anti-war and anti-Bush files. 

Unlike Mr. Heldt's website and operations, Mr. Rogers' materials were fairly sophisticated.  He drafted a July 28, 2000 press release "A Fangless George Walker Bush", calling the President "A Privileged One Who Received Fast-Track Entry and Repeated Special Treatment, Two Years of Relief from Active-duty Alert Pilot Duties, Appears To Have Dodged DoD-required Substance Abuse Tests Twice AND Received a Ten Month Early-Out Honorable Discharge".  Mr. Rogers attached an extremely detailed and footnoted expose with detailed information on alleged facts about the Texas National Guard and President Bush's military record (longer version here, comparing the President's service with Mr. Rogers' --- date unclear, but modified on or before October 23, 2000). 

On August 27, 2000, Mr. Rogers drafted an even more detailed press release, claiming that President Bush was "trying to create a 'war hero' image" and casting the "decisive issue still remaining on the table" not as "the alleged drug use one, but the integrity one -- not having to abide by the rules that every other member of the U.S. military is expected to adhere to -- and the men like Bush (who pretended to do their duty) all the while using family influence and favoritism to save their skins."    The Internet version of this "press release" had very interesting attachments, including a description of the "EVOLUTION of Print Media Coverage", a "Condensed Attendance/Service TIMELINE", a description of the "Air Force Code of Values", and a "Summary Scorecard"  that looks suspiciously like talking points.

By October 4, 2000, Mr. Rogers expanded his effort to the website of liberal Internet "consultants", Bob Fertik and David Lytel, democrats.com.  In his more slickly composed article, The Smoking Jet: Bush Military Record Reveals Grounding and Absence for Two Full Years, Mr. Rogers once again claimed President Bush was "Avoiding Vietnam through Preferential Treatment" and may have given up flying due to substance abuse.

The Bush Cleansed the Records "October/November Surprise" -- Bill Burkett Arrives on the Scene with Heldt and Rogers

On November 2, 2000, the so-called "Red Dog Publicists" at Talion.com issued a press release on the Bush is AWOL story, asking the press to "interview former Air National Guard pilot Robert A. Rogers and researcher Marty Heldt" for a remarkable story "as they lead you through the 160 pages of documents uncovered in their Freedom of Information inquiries into bush's official military records."   This was around the same time the Bush DUI bombshell was dropped.   And on the same day, Senators Bob Kerrey and Inouye held a press conference on the AWOL charges.   This press release is on the same website as the Burkett question and answer session. Both talion.com and herbnstone.com included transcripts of the remarks given at the press conference.  But these transcripts were not identical --- the herbnstone (Rogers) transcript also included remarks of Max Cleland.
In addition to the Burkett question and answer session that appeared on the talion.com website, there is also what appears to be a statement of someone who is likely Bill Burkett on herbnstone.com (the Rogers website), although the date on which  it was posted is unclear.  A Google search shows an e-mail with a similar statement dated November 6, 2000.  As far as I know, articles based on the Burkett issue were first printed in the London Sunday-Times on Saturday, November 4 (U.S. Time).  Among others, liberal muckrakers Linda L. Starr and Bev Conover covered the story on the liberal site, Online Journal, as did Bob Fertik of Democrats.com.

A Talion.com Endnote

One of the principals in the seemingly now-defunct Talion.com was Bev Harris.  Bev Harris is the author of "Black Box Voting", a book about the DNC's scare Floridian voters tactic of the month -- how electronic voting machines are hackable.

1 posted on 09/15/2004 3:24:36 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: calcowgirl

PING


2 posted on 09/15/2004 3:26:19 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc
Wasn't Burkett in the ARMY National Guard? By the wildest of coquincky-dinks he just happened to at Texas NG HQ when they were shredding a pile of 1990 transcriptions of handmade notes from the 1970's?

Makes sense.

3 posted on 09/15/2004 3:27:32 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Islam: Men defend most violently, not what they know to be true, but what they fear may be false.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Wasn't Burkett in the ARMY National Guard?

The 2000 materials obfuscate that issue. But that's what various other FReepers and bloggers have reported.
4 posted on 09/15/2004 3:31:06 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Yes he was in the Texas ARMY national guard.


5 posted on 09/15/2004 3:31:30 AM PDT by nonkultur
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

This Burkett fellow was probably the Air National Guard "arm" of the sabotage team formed by Sandy Berger to discredit "W".


6 posted on 09/15/2004 3:38:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: conservative in nyc

Burkett is the forger.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1216499/posts
7 posted on 09/15/2004 3:43:59 AM PDT by Grim
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To: Grim
Burkett is the forger.

And these are some Burkett ties to some "colorful" characters, if he's the forger. No proven links (yet), but more than enough information to make a New York Times-type mafia chart, I think.

Kerry and the DNC may want to make Burkett their fall guy, but I'm not buying that he's the end of it.
8 posted on 09/15/2004 3:48:52 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: Grim
Burkett is the forger.

Perhaps, but it was the Kerry campaign who passed the documents to CBS.
It's looking like they got them from the DNC who got them from MoveOn.org.

The question now is:
Does this show an illegal coordination..?
9 posted on 09/15/2004 3:51:02 AM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: conservative in nyc
Bob Fertik and David Lytel, democrats.com.

Oh yeah, I remember these jokers- associated with Jock Gill?

We did a big dig on them in the Gore War. As I recall- and I will have to look back into it to make sure- some of the associates in their board of directors were involved with acompany that got a LOT of help from the Clinton Energy Dept to install solar powered internet services in parts of the world that al Qaeda would dearly appreciate. The Palestinian authority, Pakistan, etc... I think the company in question was Greenstar or Green something.

I remember one of their slogans was "give a man a fish, he'll be fed for a day, give a man a fishing pole and he will be fed forever" - roughly. I remember that their slogan was funny because it should have read "...teach aman to fish," not "give him" a pole. Typical libs, they think the way to solve a problem is to keep people dependent.

10 posted on 09/15/2004 3:51:05 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: conservative in nyc

see #9.
Any thoughts?


11 posted on 09/15/2004 3:52:41 AM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: conservative in nyc
I don't know if these old links still work but here goes:

Democrats.com Declares War on FreeRepublic!

March 24th Update from RATS.com

Marxist Thuggery on the Net [Democrats.com]

12 posted on 09/15/2004 3:56:44 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: conservative in nyc
You might note that Lytel registered his web site "bushcoup.com" BEFORE the 2000 election:

(From one of the links above:)

www.bushcoup.com Registered to: David Lytel, Democrats.com, P.O. Box 20594 (New York, N.Y.) Domain record created on: 11-01-2000 (six days BEFORE the election) Phone contact: 123-456-7890 Purpose: Web site claiming Bush stole the election (formatted in an extremely similar manner to several other sites owned by Democrats.com).

13 posted on 09/15/2004 4:01:38 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: counterpunch
Disclaimer: I'm assuming Burkett is the forgerer for the purposes of this post. He may not be.

The coordination seems to have been fairly overt between Heldt, Burkett and Rogers in 2000. I wouldn't be surprised if it was as overt between Kerry, the DNC and the forgerer here.

Heldt, Burkett and Rogers all used the same publicist for the October/November surprise. And Rogers almost looked like a professional DNC opposition researcher himself, putting out press releases in July and August. (It would be interesting to try to track the July and August 2000 media reports to see if his crap was reported) Rogers even may have drafted the Burkett statement.

The only thing I'm not sure of is whether Talion.com had definitive DNC ties, or they are just a bunch of crackpots.

Alternative theory: The Burkett-Heldt (an Iowan) connection has given rise to speculation that Harkin might have passed the Burkett forgeries to CBS and/or Kerry himself.
14 posted on 09/15/2004 4:01:42 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: counterpunch
Does this show an illegal coordination..?

When the Democrats do it, it's not illegal.

15 posted on 09/15/2004 4:02:44 AM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: piasa
If you click on the Bob Fertik and David Lytel link in my response, you'd see that Stan Greenberg was on their Advisory Board. Democrats.com was heavily connected to the DNC and Gore, in my opinion. It probably still is.
16 posted on 09/15/2004 4:05:42 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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Notice the text I bolded in the Burkett Q&A:

How did your reference in this story develop?

I contacted a website that outlined the Governor's personal military career irregularities and suggested that there were two official documents that would resolve the issue of satisfactory and honorable service.


Could these documents be the forgeries? If they were, I couldn't find them on the talion.com website.
17 posted on 09/15/2004 4:07:43 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: conservative in nyc

It would be very convenient for CBS, the DNC and the Kerry campaign if they can pin all the blame on independent "looney" Burkett.


18 posted on 09/15/2004 4:14:19 AM PDT by igoramus987
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To: Fedora; Shermy; Alamo-Girl

fyi


19 posted on 09/15/2004 4:16:54 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Iowa Granny

marking for a later read


20 posted on 09/15/2004 4:43:11 AM PDT by Iowa Granny (Proud to be associated with pajama wearing news gatherers)
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