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Reason: Go Ahead, Leave the Door Open (Libertarian mag supports a guest worker plan)
Reason Magazine ^ | 9/14/04 | Brian Doherty

Posted on 09/14/2004 5:22:58 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com

Three years after 9/11, Time magazine informs us in this week's cover story, illegal immigrants are still coming into our country. And 190,000 of them, it darkly hints, are from mysterious lands other than Mexico—perhaps even lands where terrorist enemies are known to dwell, such as "Egypt, Iran and Iraq."

While its story leads with that national security hook—indeed, it's hard to believe it could have gotten such prominent 9/11 anniversary season placement without it—Time quickly drops that idea, probably since no terrorist threat has been convincingly linked to people physically crossing the Mexican border illegally. The great bulk of the long piece laments that ranchers, towns, and hospitals near the Mexican border are overwhelmed with illegal traffic (true), and detailing the apparently dreadful fact that these people actually tend to get jobs here in the United States, despite laws barring such shenanigans. Time doesn't even hint that that first problem would disappear pretty promptly as soon as we recognized that the second problem shouldn't really be considered a problem. That is, if we merely allowed people to legally come here and work if some American wanted to employ them, they would doubtless start coming here via more sensible conveyance—say, buying a bus ticket—rather than rushing en masse on foot in the dead of night through towns like Bisbee, cutting people's cattle fences, defecating in their fields, and hauling their dehydrated, car-wrecked selves into American emergency rooms and welshing on the bill...

[...uses Asa Hutchinson interview "Rounding up all illegals 'not realistic'" to support argument...]


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist
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1 posted on 09/14/2004 5:22:59 PM PDT by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

That's part of what frustrates me about the current leadership of the Libertarian Movement. They actually think our inability to easily enforce our immigration laws serves as prima face evidence that the laws themselves are wrong. I believe the first nuclear weapon successfully used against US citizens will have been successfully smuggled across the Mexican Border.


2 posted on 09/14/2004 5:30:41 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (Dan Rather's Dilemma - How does one footnote forged documents properly?)
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
And 190,000 of them, it darkly hints, are from mysterious lands other than Mexico—perhaps even lands where terrorist enemies are known to dwell, such as "Egypt, Iran and Iraq."

Yep....."Special Interest" Aliens.

3 posted on 09/14/2004 5:41:03 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

Libertarians have no problem with open borders, abortion or outsourcing/insourcing. They never have. I guess that's why the Constitution Party sweeped past them like a blur to become number 3.


4 posted on 09/14/2004 6:01:00 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Libertarians also favor zero welfare and would reduce govt. by about 90%. If you did that, I think US business and workers could hold their own against anyone and the outsourcing would stop. Further, people hire illegals to pay less and avoid regulation. US workers could be paid a lot less, if there were little or not taxes. The illegal flow would probably subside if the entire libertarian platform got through.


5 posted on 09/14/2004 7:37:38 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

RE:"Libertarians have no problem with open borders" and the Republicans or Democrats are going to seal the borders ...yeah right.


6 posted on 09/14/2004 7:58:01 PM PDT by TheFrog
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Constitution Party sweeped past them like a blur to become number 3.



You have numbers and where they are located or is it just talk? I"ve asked you before but you seem to never post them.....


7 posted on 09/14/2004 8:01:23 PM PDT by deport (Democrats play hardball at the peewee-league level and then lose)
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To: staytrue

But what libertarians forget is that there are currently many very large Socialist programs and that very impoverished people often see Socialist programs as a way to have part of the good life -- and they vote. Not too many people who feel they need WIC or Food Stamps or free health care would try to elect a Libertarian.


8 posted on 09/14/2004 8:16:50 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Libertarians have no problem with open borders, abortion or outsourcing/insourcing. They never have. I guess that's why the Constitution Party sweeped past them like a blur to become number 3.

When did the CP "sweep past" the LP?

As I recall the 2000 election, the Greens were 3rd (due to Nader). Reform (Buchanan) was 4th. The LP was 5th. And the CP was 6th.

So why do you make this wild claim of the CP being 3rd?

Nader is still showing up in the polls (something neither Badnarik or Petrouka can say). But the LP is on more state ballots than the CP.

As near as I can tell, the CP is at best 5th -- and still trailing the LP.

9 posted on 09/18/2004 5:38:34 PM PDT by Commie Basher
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To: lonewacko_dot_com

LOL! The LP taking a ticket from pat buchanan's campaign book...doing everything it can to drive away voters?


10 posted on 09/18/2004 5:39:53 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: lonewacko_dot_com
Statement: "Reason: Go Ahead, Leave the Door Open (Libertarian mag supports a guest worker plan)"

Response: They always support the harmful. Kind of a weird cult.

11 posted on 09/18/2004 5:42:32 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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