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To: Poohbah
1. Again, those people have no right to be here working and are thus increasing the labor pool artificially. By recognizing them, that artificially expanded number becomes the new normal. Rather, the authorities should deport the illegals they find and punish their employers, shrinking the illegal population and allowing the real market for wages to be established.

2. The fact that a politician does not do something does not mean that it is unpopular. Are you aware of the concept of cross-cutting cleavages? Or the concept of interest group politics?

3. I never said that Bush's proposal establishes residency. However, any child of an illegal born in America becomes a citizen and can then pull in his/her family.
82 posted on 09/15/2004 3:41:09 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
1. Again, those people have no right to be here working and are thus increasing the labor pool artificially.

Wrong. You're looking at it backwards: you are attempting to use the power of government to artificially decrease the size of the labor pool.

By recognizing them, that artificially expanded number becomes the new normal.

Wrong. The norm remains the same; it is merely recognized as reality.

Rather, the should deport the illegals they find and punish their employers,

Ah, yes. The authorities should punish employers--not their fellow citizens, who have proven to to be insufficiently motivated.

The government, the last time I checked, was the servant of its citizens. You seem to wish that the government become our master.

shrinking the illegal population and allowing the real market for wages to be established.

The real market wage was determined long before you were born, pal. You just don't like it.

2. The fact that a politician does not do something does not mean that it is unpopular. Are you aware of the concept of cross-cutting cleavages? Or the concept of interest group politics?

Sorry, you said "politicians" in the plural form. Now you're changing the frame of argument to avoid looking at your premises to closely. A fine move, Mr. Rather, but us pajama-clad bloggers are a wee bit too smart for you.

3. I never said that Bush's proposal establishes residency.

However, any child of an illegal born in America becomes a citizen and can then pull in his/her family.

By not establishing residency or allowing dependents to come in on a guest worker visa, the anchor baby problem is eliminated.

83 posted on 09/15/2004 3:54:18 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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