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To: k2blader

Retirement and healthcare aren't entitlements.

Learn it. Live it.

Neither was your student loan, whiner.


58 posted on 09/14/2004 10:39:33 AM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Neither was your student loan, whiner.

So what? Feel free to add that to the list of programs to cancel, but that falls WAY below the noise floor compared to retirement and healthcare in terms of the damage being caused to the country.

Nobody owes anyone a retirement or healthcare. People who haven't provided for themselves deserve what they get. And in 95% of the cases, people are responsible for where they end up. Prudent and judicious management of finances can allow just about everyone to have a reasonable retirement if they so choose, no matter what they did for a living.

I don't mind helping people who have suffered misfortune, and give to charities liberally. But I sure as hell feel no obligation to spend money to give people the lifestyle they think they deserve after a lifetime of foolishness, bad choices, and outright stupidity. There is no excuse for people like my parents saving little or no money. I had managed to save more money by my mid-20s, when I was still in pretty poor shape income-wise, than my parents had over their entire lives, counting on Social Security and me (mind you, they did close to the bare legal minimum required by parents when it came to raising us, and sometimes probably not that) to carry their water. And the thing is, I know a lot of people like my parents, thinking that the pittance they put into Social Security (and then spent on handouts) justifies sucking the economic life out of younger generations completely out of proportion to the money they put in.

I can empathize with people who want back what they put in, but that isn't what is happening. Instead we have people who want to squeeze an order of magnitude more out of the system than they ever put in. That's thievery on an epic scale any way you slice it, and profoundly immoral. That's all it really is to me, a purely moral issue. I neither expect to see any benefit regardless, and I have little financial exposure from this stupidity.

128 posted on 09/14/2004 11:18:32 AM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

You keep talking about student loans on equal footing of SS and government health care. How is paying back the full amount borrowed, plus interest the same as getting more than paid in?


258 posted on 09/14/2004 1:18:25 PM PDT by CSM ("Don't be economic girlie men!" - Governator, August 31, 2004, RNC)
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